Ukraine invasion

IlIlIlIlI

Experienced member
Our weaponized sanctions are there to help democracy and freedoms.
freedom to freeze :)

Freedom of thoughts visiting Latvia starts having consequences:

What's MSM tries to make out of it:

What I think: you name it, you have it 🤣
 

Atilla

Legendary member
freedom to freeze :)

Freedom of thoughts visiting Latvia starts having consequences:

What's MSM tries to make out of it:

What I think: you name it, you have it 🤣

I think cutting one's nose off to spite one's face captures it quite nicely.
 

Rufus_Leakey

Well-known member
I mean what Stupidity for any country to turn down neutrality avoiding participation in any war?
It depends who is making the promise;)

Yes, Russia promised in 1994 to never attack Ukraine if it gave up its nuclear weapons​

Ukraine, Russia, the U.S. and the UK signed a 1994 treaty that assured Ukraine it would be safe from attack as long as it gave up its massive stockpile of nukes.


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Author: Emery Winter
Published: 5:52 PM EST March 8, 2022
Updated: 4:56 PM EST March 10, 2022
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International leaders called Russia’s invasion of Ukraine illegal immediately after it began, citing a number of international laws and treaties. One of those treaties is the Budapest Memorandum, an agreement made between Ukraine, Russia, the United States and the United Kingdom in 1994.
Viewer Joe O. texted VERIFY to ask about the Budapest Memorandum: “Can you verify if [former President] Bill Clinton made a treaty with Ukraine and Russia that said if Ukraine would give up its nukes, America and Russia would guarantee their safety and never attack them?”

THE QUESTION​

Did Ukraine agree to give up its nuclear weapons in 1994 in exchange for safety from a U.S. or Russian invasion?

THE SOURCES​

THE ANSWER​

This is true.

Yes, Ukraine agreed to give up its nuclear weapons in 1994 in exchange for safety from a U.S. or Russian invasion.
 

counter_violent

Legendary member
Sudan living the reality of partnering with Russia.

 

timsk

Legendary member
The Russians really are beyond the pale. The lengths they'll go to in order to frame the Ukrainians knows no bounds. They must have captured (rather than destroyed) one of the 16 U.S. Himars and then wasted one of the rockets to blow up the PoW building. What do they cost: somewhere in the region of $100,000 for each one? That's a lot of time, effort and money wasted in a vain attempt to make it look as if Ukrainian forces are responsible. After all, if they just wanted to kill the prisoners, surely they'd just line them up against a wall and shoot them? Quick, easy and cheap: job done. Needless to say, I smell a rat.
TIm.
 

Atilla

Legendary member

So what are the plans for the deployment of weapons on Ukraine if it were to join NATO?

Do you not see that Nukes or NATO they are one and the same, leading to WMD pointing at Russia? No eyes, no brain. No idea have you? MSM troll.

Can you apply the same principle to assurances given by the West to Russia after the Berlin wall came down?


Two-faced hypocrisy playing out again imo.
 

new_trader

Legendary member
The Russians really are beyond the pale. The lengths they'll go to in order to frame the Ukrainians knows no bounds. They must have captured (rather than destroyed) one of the 16 U.S. Himars and then wasted one of the rockets to blow up the PoW building. What do they cost: somewhere in the region of $100,000 for each one? That's a lot of time, effort and money wasted in a vain attempt to make it look as if Ukrainian forces are responsible. After all, if they just wanted to kill the prisoners, surely they'd just line them up against a wall and shoot them? Quick, easy and cheap: job done. Needless to say, I smell a rat.
TIm.

Of course it makes total sense for Russia to drop an expensive missile on a group of POW's who are co-operating with Russian forces and exposing the atrocities being committed by the Azov regiment...What possible motive is there for Ukraine to execute them?
 

Rufus_Leakey

Well-known member
So what are the plans for the deployment of weapons on Ukraine if it were to join NATO?

Do you not see that Nukes or NATO they are one and the same, leading to WMD pointing at Russia? No eyes, no brain.
So far, three NATO members have nuclear weapons.
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But yes, Jens Stoltenberg tweeted that Ukraine would be the fourth NATO member to have nuclear weapons. It's in invisible ink thats hard to see by eyes and brain, so you'll have to use your imagination.:D
 
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IlIlIlIlI

Experienced member

“We do not see any major impacts from such a move,” he said. We'll see.

 

counter_violent

Legendary member
So what are the plans for the deployment of weapons on Ukraine if it were to join NATO?

Do you not see that Nukes or NATO they are one and the same, leading to WMD pointing at Russia? No eyes, no brain. No idea have you? MSM troll.

Can you apply the same principle to assurances given by the West to Russia after the Berlin wall came down?


Two-faced hypocrisy playing out again imo.
Same old playbook.

When the argument is lost, revert back to Ukraine joining NATO and deploying nukes.

Total nonsense and you know it.
 

timsk

Legendary member
Same old playbook.

When the argument is lost, revert back to Ukraine joining NATO and deploying nukes.

Total nonsense and you know it.
c_v,
"When the argument is lost"
😲

That's rich coming from you, as your only argument is that Putin must be stopped because he's not a very nice man. So what? Does that adversely impact your life? Of course it doesn't. Oh, and your other reason is that if he isn't stopped he'll try and conquer the rest of Europe - even though there's not a shred of evidence to support such an outlandish claim. So, to stop a bit of cad (as if he's any worse than most western leaders), you're prepared to risk nuclear war - even though you don't think it'll happen (as if you have the faintest idea). And, in the meantime, untold $£billions are wasted, more people die needlessly every day and Ukraine's infrastructure gets steadily levelled - some of it by Zelensky's own forces. How you have the gall to present that as a winning argument that trumps the mountains of evidence provided by those of us on this side of the fence is taking the pi$$ in the extreme.

I'm sorry to have to say it c_v, but it's because of the insane hawkish gung-ho rhetoric like yours that the whole thing is more likely to escalate than it is to die down. Our best hope of avoiding nuclear war is that the west runs out of interest, ammo and money before the situation gets any worse and MSM, politicians et al move on to the next big thing - probably a another fictional pandemic. One thing's for certain, Putin's not going to stop unless and until he achieves his objectives and, as you surely know, (regardless of whether or not you're prepared to admit it publicly), the only way - the ONLY way to stop him - is by direct Nato involvement. Pray to god - or who/whatever you like - that that doesn't happen.
Tim.
 

Atilla

Legendary member
c_v,
"When the argument is lost"
😲
That's rich coming from you, as your only argument is that Putin must be stopped because he's not a very nice man. So what? Does that adversely impact your life? Of course it doesn't. Oh, and your other reason is that if he isn't stopped he'll try and conquer the rest of Europe - even though there's not a shred of evidence to support such an outlandish claim. So, to stop a bit of cad (as if he's any worse than most western leaders), you're prepared to risk nuclear war - even though you don't think it'll happen (as if you have the faintest idea). And, in the meantime, untold $£billions are wasted, more people die needlessly every day and Ukraine's infrastructure gets steadily levelled - some of it by Zelensky's own forces. How you have the gall to present that as a winning argument that trumps the mountains of evidence provided by those of us on this side of the fence is taking the pi$$ in the extreme.

I'm sorry to have to say it c_v, but it's because of the insane hawkish gung-ho rhetoric like yours that the whole thing is more likely to escalate than it is to die down. Our best hope of avoiding nuclear war is that the west runs out of interest, ammo and money before the situation gets any worse and MSM, politicians et al move on to the next big thing - probably a another fictional pandemic. One thing's for certain, Putin's not going to stop unless and until he achieves his objectives and, as you surely know, (regardless of whether or not you're prepared to admit it publicly), the only way - the ONLY way to stop him - is by direct Nato involvement. Pray to god - or who/whatever you like - that that doesn't happen.
Tim.

Hi Tim,

Contrary to all evidence external and increasingly internal from the UK and EU, these peeps just troll out the same old dribble.

Hence, the war.

The consequence of that war will soon be coming home to UK.

imo the Tories have fecked up big time on:

1. Brexit
2. Covid
3. Ukraine war support

Perhaps this belongs in the Politics thread but unbelievabley so, the Tories are claiming those three headed snake as getting the big calls correct. LMAOROTF

Give it until 2026 to see achievements.


Here is performing walk of shame with mouth shut closed.
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timsk

Legendary member
imo the Tories have fecked up big time on:
1. Brexit
2. Covid
3. Ukraine war support
At',
On covid and Ukraine I agree with you 100%. I also agree with you on Brexit in so far as the Tories handling of it was appalling. As you know, I voted leave, but your point is about how well the politicians have behaved and performed and, on those two measures, they score 0/10 from me. Worse than useless. They've shown a callous disregard for the health and welfare of the nation throughout Covid and are now pursuing a disastrous foreign policy that can't possibly benefit any of us in any way and is, already, causing us substantial harm. They are all incompetent, morally bankrupt and extremely dangerous. Liz Truss tops that list and Rishi Sunak comes a close second. I really do despair.
Tim.
 
 
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