Tottenham Riots

[Pazienza]

I'm surprised nobody's started a thread on this.

I saw this comment from Inspector Lightyear on the Inspector Gadget blog - struck me as a pretty honest and sensible view, and the highlighted bit at the end made me chuckle.

PC Lightyear

That twitter claim is bollox Jules.

Trust me – 95% of the working people in Tottenham get on well with the police.

It’s the leeching, parasitic gangs, the groups that mug people and stab each other that were doing this.

These people are the huge amount of non working scum who think the police shouldnt enforce the law with them.

Theyre stupid ***** who think we’re in America, claim that we’re all “Raysis innit”

Just look at the footage – theyre laughing, theyre enjoying it!

It was just an excuse for the gangs to riot, there is no need for “Justice” as Im sure it’ll come out that Mark Duggan fired first and brought on his own demise.
He was a Gangsta and had an illegal firearm – if he hadnt used it, he’d be alive and in custody.

Watch the footage – we’re not allowed to state the obvious, but the people rioting last night, were the same people who stab each other, call each other ‘Souljas’ and throw gang hand signals at each other.

The main community in Tottenham need to look at themselves, not the Police for this….. but that won’t happen because we’ll just get weak drippy talking heads outside Scotland Yard saying things like ‘Vibrant’ ‘Diverse’ ….. when what they mean is ‘absolute sh1thole’

Last night was a close run thing.

 

[YouAreNotFree]

It's like the guy that wrote that read my mind.

I don't have much respect for many of the laws of this country, nor am I very fond of the police state in which we live, but I am a civilized human being and not an animal like those low-lives.

I'm sure it will turn out that it wasn't their fault and that in fact they were failed by society.

 

[Hotch]

Awaiting facts to come out, but I'd guess that's the case.

 

[the hare]

I'm surprised nobody's started a thread on this.

well if the mayor of london, the prime minister, or any other senior politcian cant be arsed to take it seriously, why should anyone else

 

[redart]

 

[jthetrader]

In this case the police may have, within the structure of our current legal system, been justified in shooting the man. After all anyone who is found to have a firearm in a public place without lawful excuse is going to get shot if they don't drop it immediately. They've shot at people over table legs before now, not to mention killing that poor drunk barrister Mark Saunders.

However, according to the papers the bloke in question was only carrying the gun because someone close to him (variously reported as his cousin and a friend) had been stabbed to death recently.

We live in a sad society, you can't carry a gun to defend your life, limb and property; it is utterly emasculating that we have to call out the police to deal with our problems. If I have a family when I grow up and we get burgled and I have to call the cops I don't think I'd be able to look them in the eye.

Our society encourages weakness and encourages us to farm out our duties to the police, in return we have to pay for this 'privilege' (i.e. taxation) and the cycle of statist oppression is perpetuated.

If it turns out he didn't do anything to the cops, that he was just carrying a gun because he had good reason to believe someone was after him, then I hope they give the cops responsible a life sentence (they won't, they'll get a warning like they did with Jean Charles DeMenenzes).

 

[jthetrader]

As for the rioting, well it is just like the 1992 LA riots or the Watts riots or indeed the Broadwater Farm riot(s) 30 years ago, a bunch of losers getting each other riled up and wreaking havoc on their own area. The scum rise to the surface in these cases, not to mention criminal elements taking advantage of the opportunity to loot.

They will now have their hands out asking for money to rebuild the community they just tore down. I do feel sorry for the decent folk round there, not to mention the business owners whose premises have been torched.

If they had the wherewithal to get an education and a job they wouldn't have to worry about the '**** dat goes down in da ghetto'.

Then again, I'm a middle class White boy so what do I know about the pain and suffering our impoverished Black brethren go through on the mean streets of Tottenham.

 

[counter_violent]

In this case the police may have, within the structure of our current legal system, been justified in shooting the man. After all anyone who is found to have a firearm in a public place without lawful excuse is going to get shot if they don't drop it immediately. They've shot at people over table legs before now, not to mention killing that poor drunk barrister Mark Saunders.

However, according to the papers the bloke in question was only carrying the gun because someone close to him (variously reported as his cousin and a friend) had been stabbed to death recently.

We live in a sad society, you can't carry a gun to defend your life, limb and property; it is utterly emasculating that we have to call out the police to deal with our problems. If I have a family when I grow up and we get burgled and I have to call the cops I don't think I'd be able to look them in the eye.

Our society encourages weakness and encourages us to farm out our duties to the police, in return we have to pay for this 'privilege' (i.e. taxation) and the cycle of statist oppression is perpetuated.

If it turns out he didn't do anything to the cops, that he was just carrying a gun because he had good reason to believe someone was after him, then I hope they give the cops responsible a life sentence (they won't, they'll get a warning like they did with Jean Charles DeMenenzes).

Are you on drugs ?

Which bit of the law says your allowed to carry a gun cos sum1 mite be after u innit !

 

[Splitlink]

Riots? What riots?

Just the fans letting off a little steam before the season, that's all. Just wait until they lose to Arsenal!

 

[DionysusToast]

Yes, we are not allowed to state the obvious.

At least there's a movie out now that should serve somewhat as a wake up call...

 

[DionysusToast]

In this case the police may have, within the structure of our current legal system, been justified in shooting the man. After all anyone who is found to have a firearm in a public place without lawful excuse is going to get shot if they don't drop it immediately. They've shot at people over table legs before now, not to mention killing that poor drunk barrister Mark Saunders.

However, according to the papers the bloke in question was only carrying the gun because someone close to him (variously reported as his cousin and a friend) had been stabbed to death recently.

We live in a sad society, you can't carry a gun to defend your life, limb and property; it is utterly emasculating that we have to call out the police to deal with our problems. If I have a family when I grow up and we get burgled and I have to call the cops I don't think I'd be able to look them in the eye.

Our society encourages weakness and encourages us to farm out our duties to the police, in return we have to pay for this 'privilege' (i.e. taxation) and the cycle of statist oppression is perpetuated.

If it turns out he didn't do anything to the cops, that he was just carrying a gun because he had good reason to believe someone was after him, then I hope they give the cops responsible a life sentence (they won't, they'll get a warning like they did with Jean Charles DeMenenzes).

Total nonsense.

The guy was carrying a gun because someone close to him had been stabbed?

Well that's what happens when you are in a gang of crack dealers isn't it? You reckon he wasn't carrying a gun before his crack dealing pimp mate got stabbed? Really? You buy that?

That has nothing to do with a law abiding citizen being able to protect his own home. Only a raving liberal would attempt to make that association.

The guy was scum. The only sad part is they didn't round up a few of his mates and do the same to them.

 

[pboyles]

That was the drunk barrister that had opened fire in a residential street in London if I remember correctly. Maybe they should have just shot the gun out of his hand like John Wayne used to do.

So what, I wonder, was this latest 'victim' going to do with that gun had he come across someone he thought was 'after' him. Wave it at them as a warning? I think you'll find that several people are alive today because he was taken out.

...and yes if you do have a gun in your possession illegally and are told to drop it then you run a high chance of being shot should you ignore the warning. Is there something wrong with that?

In this case the police may have, within the structure of our current legal system, been justified in shooting the man. After all anyone who is found to have a firearm in a public place without lawful excuse is going to get shot if they don't drop it immediately. They've shot at people over table legs before now, not to mention killing that poor drunk barrister Mark Saunders.

However, according to the papers the bloke in question was only carrying the gun because someone close to him (variously reported as his cousin and a friend) had been stabbed to death recently.

We live in a sad society, you can't carry a gun to defend your life, limb and property; it is utterly emasculating that we have to call out the police to deal with our problems. If I have a family when I grow up and we get burgled and I have to call the cops I don't think I'd be able to look them in the eye.

Our society encourages weakness and encourages us to farm out our duties to the police, in return we have to pay for this 'privilege' (i.e. taxation) and the cycle of statist oppression is perpetuated.

If it turns out he didn't do anything to the cops, that he was just carrying a gun because he had good reason to believe someone was after him, then I hope they give the cops responsible a life sentence (they won't, they'll get a warning like they did with Jean Charles DeMenenzes).

 

[pboyles]

I wonder when Jesse Jackson will be flying in?

 

[the hare]

...and yes if you do have a gun in your possession illegally and are told to drop it then you run a high chance of being shot should you ignore the warning. Is there something wrong with that?

There's nothing wrong with that at all, in fact, the police should shoot a few more people. Walking around the streets of London with a shooter is unacceptable whoever you are (and that should apply to the old bill to in most cases)

But this situation is rather more complex. The met have a bit of a track record when it comes to covering up these sorts of issues, and the public kind of see through that. The IPCC are probably the most inappropriately named organissation on the planet !

There is absolutely no good reason why police officers in these situations cant be issued with CCTV, camera's can be attatched to helmets, or uniforms, providing independant corrobaration when incidents of this nature occur.

There's a history of attempted cover ups, and in practically every instance, surprise surprise the CCTV systems, which cost billions to install and maintain at the tax payers expense never seam to be functioning. Take the G20 riots, why would a senior police officer give orders to shut down CCTV systems, knowing there was the possibility of a riot, he alledgedly gives this order whilst simultaneously arranging additional resources and manpower, issuing riot gear, and weapons. So knowing that in all likelihood crimes where about to be committed, and arrests where likely to made, he turns of CCTV system that they've installed to assist them in managing such situations !

The more cynical amonst us are probably justified in thinking that perhaps he retrospectively lost the CCTV footage on the basis that it showed his officers beating an unarmed man to death ! Given their track record of deliberate lies, it is actually possible thats what happened !

The police attract their fair share of corrupt lying scroats, but the main reason they behave in this way is due to a lack of public support from their political leaders. I'm sure that the support exists in private, but its not made public. They're backed into a corner where they are forced to cover up mistakes, rather than admitting they are just implimenting policy.

I'm not particularly familiar with the area, but there are area's of appalling deprevation, and not everyone is fortunate enough to benefit from the educational or employment opportunities many of us take for granted. Its no excuse for this sort of behaviour, but its a contributing factor.

The media seam to be focussing on a bunch of chavs stealing phones and trainers, but I think the problem is a little deeper. A bunch of people where actually stealing food from Iceland FFS. There's something not quite right with call me dave's big society when someone will risk serving a term in prison (or possibly a bullet in the head, or beaten to death by a police baton) for stealing a frozen pizza and a packet of chicken nuggets. Are those people just stupid, or is there actually an element of desperation thats being ignored ?

The truly sad aspect of this is that its the decent people of Tottenham, small business owners etc who pay the price. The ***** who should be taking responsibility are probably in sat on a beach someplace with the mobiles switched off

 

[Marwan2010]

I am NOT racist so some of you please do not accuse me of racism

Britain is full of immigrants now, but i am of opinion that the only ethnic minorities who DO NOT get involved in rioting and terror activities are JEWS and HINDUS
these two groups are most hard working, affluent, less burden on state but more importantly they pay lot of tax > also 80% of the UK born Hindus / Jews go to University

FOOD FOR THOUGHT

 

[Hotch]

i am not racist...

lol

 

[Pazienza]

Ait bredren safe spec innit brap brap. U is all racists an that innit like da feds.

 

[counter_violent]

lol

He's not you know, because he put NOT in capitals

 

[pboyles]

He's not you know, because he put NOT in capitals

He's called Marwan which is an arabic name, everybody knows that its only white people that are racists so he's in the clear.

Did Jesse Jackson arrive yet?

 

[Pazienza]

He's called Marwan which is an arabic name, everybody knows that its only white people that are racists so he's in the clear.

Did Jesse Jackson arrive yet?

Probably not enough money in it for him.