think this rally was temporary?

[Stoney_21]

did we hit bottom? i just think based on history the big one is just on the horizon

 

[malaguti]

did we hit bottom? i just think based on history the big one is just on the horizon

i think the rally IS temporary rather than was

 

[NVP]

Who knows and who cares ?

As traders just go with the flow and pick up the money....

..in the FT today I read that most of the big trading houses have now called over 80% of their Q1 predictions wrong......everything has reversed on what they thought. :innocent:

So think less and trade what you see ......only the market is 100% correct all the time :smart:

N

 

[tomorton]

The same question again in another form.

For pity's sake, nobody knows.

 

[f2calv]

Isn't every rally temporary by its very nature?

 

[dbphoenix]

That's what they said in '09

 

[Erasmus]

That's what they said in '09

True, but we've not had '08 yet.

(Well we did, in '08, but you know what I mean).

'Trade what you see' is one way of dealing with it - the other is to consider the current flow of economic data, all of which is showing the US is becoming quite late-cycle and the Fed does not have the monetary tools to deal with it as it never normalised policy after the GFC. That all strongly suggests more downside particularly when you take quite unforgiving equity valuations into account.

 

[Solas0077]

Look at 2008 50%+ plunge and you will see many rebounds along the way to the final bottom of 2009. But as @tomorton said, noone knows.

 

[2be]

Look at 2008 50%+ plunge and you will see many rebounds along the way to the final bottom of 2009. But as @tomorton said, noone knows.

The gurus on Bloomberg and CNBC have not confirmed anything. so how can it be???? :-0

 

[dbphoenix]

True, but we've not had '08 yet.

(Well we did, in '08, but you know what I mean).

'Trade what you see' is one way of dealing with it - the other is to consider the current flow of economic data, all of which is showing the US is becoming quite late-cycle and the Fed does not have the monetary tools to deal with it as it never normalised policy after the GFC. That all strongly suggests more downside particularly when you take quite unforgiving equity valuations into account.

I agree. I've seen nothing climactic about any of this. But the stock market detached itself from earnings long ago, and rallies can last much longer and go much farther than they would otherwise.

Db

 

[dratsum]

The last time ES was rolling over from a strong uptrend and *equally as weak as we are currently* was 1/23/2008. The fact we have a double bottom is a better pattern match with 3/18/2008 but the day to day rebounds and such as happened in the past don't matter. What's important today is ES is oversold and going to try to rally combined with the fact this is the anti-thesis of the ideal field position for initiating shorts. ...but oversold doesn't mean ES won't continue lower immediately.

It would be foolish to think I will act on anything I've said without my eyes wide open to what ES is doing at the current moment.

 

[neil324]

Trade what you see, not what you think.

Saying that, how long before NIRP, more QE(called something else this time) or helicopter money is used. And what effect will it have on markets.

B*llocks to a barn dance though, volatility is certain, providing day traders plenty of opportunity.

 

[2be]

The gurus on Bloomberg and CNBC have not confirmed anything. so how can it be???? :-0

an example how to use a lot of words and say nothing
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...sh-calls-on-european-stocks-are-still-bullish
Of course in the end indices are bullish. In 2586 Dax will be well above 14000 - guaranteed!!clap: