Smart Live Markets - Spread Bet on MT4

Yes at the moment it is categorized as gambling. But if SB is your sole income they might take another look at it, though there is no praxis yet on this, as I have come aware of that is.

I can't see that happening really because they law is the law. They would have to make changes to the gambling law imposing complex additions to it...? I'm sure it's well within reach and has been thought of but it just hasn't been done so I'm guessing it wont be. It would kill the SB industry overnight unless there was an easy loophole exposed.

I see it like this: as long as something is classed as gambling, people (including lawmakers) don't take it seriously. It's a past-time. It's a laugh, a flutter, and you always are expected to lose as a punter. Hell, even some SB firms treat it that way still! "Got an opinion on the FTSE, have a flutter, and here's the phone number for gambling counselling at the bottom of our website" - they don't see us as "traders".

So the tax was removed years ago and bookies loved it, punters loved it, it wasn't a big thing to the non-gambling world (the govenment's Budget always concentrates on more "normal vices" like cigarettes and booze when it comes to tax).

So as long as no-one "up there" really takes gambling as a serious issue, then tax will not be considered on the bets. (I know the SB industry is growing and this may have raised eyebrows with the thieves at Whitehall etc, but knowing how inefficient the UK government departments are I don't think the tax thing will change back like it used to be for gamblers).

However, I see what you mean about individuals, they may change rules to look at individual cases of high-price punters in sports and financials, and then tax the shirt off their back if they are raking it in, but really I'm sure there are loopholes they could use to stop paying tax anyway. There's always ways, especially in a situation like tax where everyone generally looks blankly at the person next to them and shrugs their shoulders (and that's the people in charge LOL!)

That's my take on it.

Or maybe that's my hope on it?

LOL!
 
Is SML linked to Casino's?
It seems there are plenty of complaints/ scam allegations relating to that aspect of their operations.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sm...LL_en-GB&redir_esc=&ei=Qr16TNn4L9aJ4gaTzfWoBg

Maybe new traders should try live trades with small stakes for a while to see how the company performs.

Yeah they are a huge company, and from what I know they are well trusted.

They are part of a gaming group that has interests in bingo, poker, sportsbook and casinos. It seems fair that they would get involved in financials, many UK sports bookies do nowadays it's a natural progression with the way things go in the UK (gamblers at heart!).

In fact, they have a TV channel on Sky and Freesat as well as some others for their interactive casino offering.

The majority of what I've seen about them is that they are good and already well established. Their SLM offering is new and eager to please. I hope it does very very well it has the right business model and good helpful staff - surely a winning combination especially with their MT4, hedging, small stakes, good spreads etc.

Just need these niggles (market unavilable and requotes) taken care of, but they are new. I predict in 2 years from now they will be a solid top SB company, but it's never an "overnight" thing.

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Still having problems with MT4 freezing at Eu & US open even on demo...........SLM please sort - will stay with IG until it's sorted.
If profits from SB were taxed it would cost too much for the government to write-off/off-set the losses made by the 90% of failed traders?? Just my humble opinion - enjoy it if you're profitable, 20 pips a day is enough for me!!
 
Still having problems with MT4 freezing at Eu & US open even on demo...........SLM please sort - will stay with IG until it's sorted.
If profits from SB were taxed it would cost too much for the government to write-off/off-set the losses made by the 90% of failed traders?? Just my humble opinion - enjoy it if you're profitable, 20 pips a day is enough for me!!

Hey thanks for sharing your experience with SLM. And a good point made! Glad you're making cash not losing it to the market.

I have to admit I've not had any trouble with demo platform except that one requote the other day BUT that said I haven't really tested the US/EU stock market openings only FX so far, so I guess I can't make a judgement on it.

Thing is, I've found the frank answers/responses by SLM on this thread to be fair enough coz they acknowledge there has been issues they're trying to solve, so I guess we'll all hear about it (on this thread) when it's all finally sorted out... I hope!

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Thing is, I've found the frank answers/responses by SLM on this thread to be fair enough coz they acknowledge there has been issues they're trying to solve, so I guess we'll all hear about it (on this thread) when it's all finally sorted out... I hope!

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It's good that SLM respond to feedback, but why is it that spreadbet companies generally expect clients to use their own time and money to do software development?
 
It's good that SLM respond to feedback, but why is it that spreadbet companies generally expect clients to use their own time and money to do software development?
This is a natural interaction between a client and the company, this is vital, especially in an IT related business. I am glad they respond to feedback and can change things very quickly.
 
Hey thanks for sharing your experience with SLM. And a good point made! Glad you're making cash not losing it to the market.

I have to admit I've not had any trouble with demo platform except that one requote the other day BUT that said I haven't really tested the US/EU stock market openings only FX so far, so I guess I can't make a judgement on it.

Thing is, I've found the frank answers/responses by SLM on this thread to be fair enough coz they acknowledge there has been issues they're trying to solve, so I guess we'll all hear about it (on this thread) when it's all finally sorted out... I hope!

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I think you are referring too much to the demo platform, live trading is where you actually see how well they are performing. As said before, the demo account is only good for getting to know the platform and testing scripts. A good thing about SLM, they have a very low entry level. Things will be sorted out, they have to, in order to stay in this business.
 
I think you are referring too much to the demo platform, live trading is where you actually see how well they are performing. As said before, the demo account is only good for getting to know the platform and testing scripts. A good thing about SLM, they have a very low entry level. Things will be sorted out, they have to, in order to stay in this business.

Yes you're right I'll go live soon enough with them to see the proof in the pudding. :clover:

And yeah it's a pretty black & white situation like you say, if they don't sort the issues out then there's no room to survive in this industry. :eek:
 
I think you are referring too much to the demo platform, live trading is where you actually see how well they are performing. As said before, the demo account is only good for getting to know the platform and testing scripts. A good thing about SLM, they have a very low entry level. Things will be sorted out, they have to, in order to stay in this business.

All too true. Most demo platforms are only useful for finding your way around. Go live and you'll get completely different results.
 
All too true. Most demo platforms are only useful for finding your way around. Go live and you'll get completely different results.

Ross

Just to clarify, when you say "most demo platforms ... go live and you'll get completely different results" are you talking about:

1) The platform/broker performance is reduced in live trading (due to slippage/requotes etc all the problems we're talking about on this thread) so badly that your results suffer
2) The whole pyschological aspect of "demo money is easy to play with but live is much harder" thus your results suffer

Thanks
 
Ross

Just to clarify, when you say "most demo platforms ... go live and you'll get completely different results" are you talking about:

1) The platform/broker performance is reduced in live trading (due to slippage/requotes etc all the problems we're talking about on this thread) so badly that your results suffer
2) The whole pyschological aspect of "demo money is easy to play with but live is much harder" thus your results suffer

Thanks
I am quite sure he is talking about no. 1. It is also my viewpoint, that too much demo trading can hurt your trading when going live. But I see no reason not to wait at the moment, until they have sorted out things.
 
Ross

Just to clarify, when you say "most demo platforms ... go live and you'll get completely different results" are you talking about:

1) The platform/broker performance is reduced in live trading (due to slippage/requotes etc all the problems we're talking about on this thread) so badly that your results suffer
2) The whole pyschological aspect of "demo money is easy to play with but live is much harder" thus your results suffer

Thanks

1/ mainly, but 2/ definitely comes into it.
 
I have had a trading issue with the SLM trading desk. I have to say, I can only give them the highest rating on, how well they have handle this matter.
 
Yes market orders is another issue altogether (like it is in the real market). Yes I have problems at times getting my market orders executed. It has gotten somewhat better, but still so far, too many re-quotes.


Hi
Which markets are you finding the problem with the re-quotes?
Thanks
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