Jaykay3,
the moderator responses explain the problem - the reviews mimic typical 'scam' postings designed purely to dupe gullible newbies... thankfully they were actually legit, and all you had to do was explain that. A subsequent apology from one of the concerned was, I thought, well put. The Bramble made one ambiguous point that you took wrongly, and I would suggest your main argument ought to be with the tone of the original posting - which was incautious but not surprising (9/10 times this WOULD have been a blatant rip off attempt - it's happened plenty before and it'll happen plenty in future).
Since you first told everyone that the posts were legitimate I've seen nothing but interest expressed, I for one have a mental 'tick' against this guy as a result of this thread. Knowing you are a legitimate poster, and not the result of one trickster generating multiple IDs in a bid to trick newbies, is all it took.
Dave
the moderator responses explain the problem - the reviews mimic typical 'scam' postings designed purely to dupe gullible newbies... thankfully they were actually legit, and all you had to do was explain that. A subsequent apology from one of the concerned was, I thought, well put. The Bramble made one ambiguous point that you took wrongly, and I would suggest your main argument ought to be with the tone of the original posting - which was incautious but not surprising (9/10 times this WOULD have been a blatant rip off attempt - it's happened plenty before and it'll happen plenty in future).
Since you first told everyone that the posts were legitimate I've seen nothing but interest expressed, I for one have a mental 'tick' against this guy as a result of this thread. Knowing you are a legitimate poster, and not the result of one trickster generating multiple IDs in a bid to trick newbies, is all it took.
Dave
Bracke,
Just give me a little bit of time on this one. I only attended Sandy's course towards the end of December then Christmas and now flu ! I am also in full time employment so learning time is limited to evenings which with a 2 year old daughter isn't proving to be very easy. Obviously the next step for me is to practice, practice, practice but I have said all along that I will let people know the outcome of my trades whether they be good or bad. But I am afraid you will just have to persevere until I am ready.
I can only remember the name of one other person from my course which was Paul from Potters Bar but a few of them said they were going to post on here so maybe any of those who have been quicker off the starting blocks than me may like to let Bracke etc know how they have been doing.
I still have faith in the method taught and it is still the method I feel is most suited to me ie price action without indicators and preparation using EOD prices which is ideal when you work full time (assuming I can lock my daughter out of the computer room long enough ! lol ) :cheesy:
Dave JB,
Yes, I probably did take the ambiguous point from The Bramble the wrong way but I expect I was feeling cross at the time due to all the negativity directed towards Sandy's course when the majority of people moaning did not even know what he teaches or how well he teaches it. Just as an aside I have attended other courses, not I might add by the usual suspects (VS & DW), and whilst not a complete waste of time they didn't teach me how to enter or exit a trade and can be best described as glorified TA courses. The reason for telling you this is to illustrate I have had other courses from which to draw a comparison for usefulness of teaching methods.
Just give me a little bit of time on this one. I only attended Sandy's course towards the end of December then Christmas and now flu ! I am also in full time employment so learning time is limited to evenings which with a 2 year old daughter isn't proving to be very easy. Obviously the next step for me is to practice, practice, practice but I have said all along that I will let people know the outcome of my trades whether they be good or bad. But I am afraid you will just have to persevere until I am ready.
I can only remember the name of one other person from my course which was Paul from Potters Bar but a few of them said they were going to post on here so maybe any of those who have been quicker off the starting blocks than me may like to let Bracke etc know how they have been doing.
I still have faith in the method taught and it is still the method I feel is most suited to me ie price action without indicators and preparation using EOD prices which is ideal when you work full time (assuming I can lock my daughter out of the computer room long enough ! lol ) :cheesy:
Dave JB,
Yes, I probably did take the ambiguous point from The Bramble the wrong way but I expect I was feeling cross at the time due to all the negativity directed towards Sandy's course when the majority of people moaning did not even know what he teaches or how well he teaches it. Just as an aside I have attended other courses, not I might add by the usual suspects (VS & DW), and whilst not a complete waste of time they didn't teach me how to enter or exit a trade and can be best described as glorified TA courses. The reason for telling you this is to illustrate I have had other courses from which to draw a comparison for usefulness of teaching methods.
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JayKay
Proof of the pudding is in the eating ! Post a few of Sandy's trades and we'll give you an honest opinion as to whether you've been duped or not.
Jane
Proof of the pudding is in the eating ! Post a few of Sandy's trades and we'll give you an honest opinion as to whether you've been duped or not.
Jane
jslee said:
Jane,
And what qualifications would you have to decide whether I have been duped or not when you blindly follow cj12 & Index Kings' trades. You also admit to purchasing Juanbytes Spreadbetting book but haven't as yet posted any of your trades from his teachings. When you do we will let you know whether you have been duped or not.
By the way I will not be posting any of Sandy's trades nor will I be posting any of my own trades (past, present or future) - what I said I would do is to let people know whether or not the course has taught me a successful method which I will not know until I have done some live trades. Oh and don't start asking me for trading records etc.......
jaykay3
Thank you for responding to my question.
I have another for you!
What software/datafeed do you need to operate Sany's trading strategy and at what cost.
I am interested in the course but not if it will cost a lot to operate.
Regards
bracke
Thank you for responding to my question.
I have another for you!
What software/datafeed do you need to operate Sany's trading strategy and at what cost.
I am interested in the course but not if it will cost a lot to operate.
Regards
bracke
jaykay,
thanks. I can certainly see the reason behind it - I've seen a lot of flame wars (even been in one despite trying hard to avoid it...) and I'm sure you are right - it's really a case of A B and C wound you up but poor D (Bramble) got the flak as well.... I think Bramble was actually largely on your side and probably deserved to retain their cojones, it might be nice to tell Bramble that?
Apart from that I agree with your 0130 post - it sounds to me like you got a decent course, and there IS a bit more cynicism around than there need be, you can overdo things in that department. Whilst I know there's a lot of rubbish about we need not assume that everyone is peddling dross, and an automatic anti stance is perhaps something we should all guard against... it's well meant generally, but not always appropriate.
Thanks for the measured response - 'auto flame' would have seen me lose a leg and that didn't happen!
Dave
thanks. I can certainly see the reason behind it - I've seen a lot of flame wars (even been in one despite trying hard to avoid it...) and I'm sure you are right - it's really a case of A B and C wound you up but poor D (Bramble) got the flak as well.... I think Bramble was actually largely on your side and probably deserved to retain their cojones, it might be nice to tell Bramble that?
Apart from that I agree with your 0130 post - it sounds to me like you got a decent course, and there IS a bit more cynicism around than there need be, you can overdo things in that department. Whilst I know there's a lot of rubbish about we need not assume that everyone is peddling dross, and an automatic anti stance is perhaps something we should all guard against... it's well meant generally, but not always appropriate.
Thanks for the measured response - 'auto flame' would have seen me lose a leg and that didn't happen!
Dave
Bracke,
Unless you want to daytrade a Datafeed is not required for Sandy's method, as your trades are set up from EOD prices.
A basic charting package showing bars and EOD prices would be all you need as Sandy's method does not use any Indicators.
The Charting package is your own personal choice as it is dependant upon what you want to do with it. For example if you would just want to look at the bar patterns and the EOD data you could use the free charting packages at Big Charts / Medved Quote Tracker. But if you wanted to use any eg ''drawing tools' or put on fib levels automatically then you would need to pay for a basic charting package.
I was already subscribing to a charting package when I went on Sandy's course but he did have a list of charting packages for information that he had sourced as being good value packages.
Dave JB,
I agree 100% with your comment that there is a lot of rubbish about but that we should not assume that everyone is peddling dross and an automatic anti stance is perhaps something we should all guard against. The problem being that sometimes you just have to go with your gut feeling. I actually telephoned Sandy J before I committed any money to his course and spent a good 1/2 hour on the phone to him. I think I must have decided during the conversation that he was coming across as genuine particularly as he tried to put me off coming on the paid course at first and suggested that I attend his freebie course first to see if his methods would suit me. I didn't do this as I live some considerable distance from London and decided to just go for the paid course but my choice entirely. Everybody else on my course had been on the Freebie first so had presumably been sufficiently interested to pay for the full course.
But it is a problem trying to see the wood for the trees when reading through advertisements for products / courses which are cleverly put together to seduce you !
Finally, Myself and Bramble have cleared things up I hope through the PM's.
Jay Kay
Unless you want to daytrade a Datafeed is not required for Sandy's method, as your trades are set up from EOD prices.
A basic charting package showing bars and EOD prices would be all you need as Sandy's method does not use any Indicators.
The Charting package is your own personal choice as it is dependant upon what you want to do with it. For example if you would just want to look at the bar patterns and the EOD data you could use the free charting packages at Big Charts / Medved Quote Tracker. But if you wanted to use any eg ''drawing tools' or put on fib levels automatically then you would need to pay for a basic charting package.
I was already subscribing to a charting package when I went on Sandy's course but he did have a list of charting packages for information that he had sourced as being good value packages.
Dave JB,
I agree 100% with your comment that there is a lot of rubbish about but that we should not assume that everyone is peddling dross and an automatic anti stance is perhaps something we should all guard against. The problem being that sometimes you just have to go with your gut feeling. I actually telephoned Sandy J before I committed any money to his course and spent a good 1/2 hour on the phone to him. I think I must have decided during the conversation that he was coming across as genuine particularly as he tried to put me off coming on the paid course at first and suggested that I attend his freebie course first to see if his methods would suit me. I didn't do this as I live some considerable distance from London and decided to just go for the paid course but my choice entirely. Everybody else on my course had been on the Freebie first so had presumably been sufficiently interested to pay for the full course.
But it is a problem trying to see the wood for the trees when reading through advertisements for products / courses which are cleverly put together to seduce you !
Finally, Myself and Bramble have cleared things up I hope through the PM's.
Jay Kay
Great <g>
Didn't mean to nag... I'm convinced, and I suspect others are too. A misunderstanding, at heart, it;s nice to encounter genuine types isn't it?
Dave
Didn't mean to nag... I'm convinced, and I suspect others are too. A misunderstanding, at heart, it;s nice to encounter genuine types isn't it?
Dave
JayKay
Its very simple really..Try a few trades of Sandy's then give us an opinion. Its all very well to oom and aah about what you learnt but until you use the info to profit from, you can't really say how good/bad it is.
We can all gush over trading strategies and how interesting and informative they may be, but interesting and informative doesn't make you a successful trader necessarily. Thats why I said the proof of the pudding's in the actual trading. Is the strategy real life friendly or hyperthetical like most ?
I don't follow anyones trades 'blindly' The IK webmaster is a really decent bloke and I have profited well from his trades. I understand some of the methodology and its quite startling how he does it.
CJ is someone else who is man enough to post his trades and risk looking silly, but that is a valuable contribution.
Its only my place to give an personal opinion and not leak trades to others. If you like my opinion thats fine, if not thats fine too.
Jane
Its very simple really..Try a few trades of Sandy's then give us an opinion. Its all very well to oom and aah about what you learnt but until you use the info to profit from, you can't really say how good/bad it is.
We can all gush over trading strategies and how interesting and informative they may be, but interesting and informative doesn't make you a successful trader necessarily. Thats why I said the proof of the pudding's in the actual trading. Is the strategy real life friendly or hyperthetical like most ?
I don't follow anyones trades 'blindly' The IK webmaster is a really decent bloke and I have profited well from his trades. I understand some of the methodology and its quite startling how he does it.
CJ is someone else who is man enough to post his trades and risk looking silly, but that is a valuable contribution.
Its only my place to give an personal opinion and not leak trades to others. If you like my opinion thats fine, if not thats fine too.
Jane
I did the Manning course, back in the last century ( I think) . At first I though it was a Gift from Heaven..... later, I though it was a load of ****. Finally, a couple of years later, I clearly saw the highlights and wisdom of a couple of his preachings. The rest was and still is ****. Unfortunately, I don't know if I could have picked up those Gems anywhere else for free, or if someone on a BB may have passed them on. Would I have taken any notice? Probably not.
The point is, those who are relatively new will not realise the value of any particular piece of information until some time later, if ever. That being the case, it's a wonder any of us make any progress.....
The point is, those who are relatively new will not realise the value of any particular piece of information until some time later, if ever. That being the case, it's a wonder any of us make any progress.....
I think that the biggest problem is that one person's gems are another person's lumps of coal.
So you have to know yourself well and truly before you go on any trading courses. And that's really hard to do - there's no questionnaires to fill in, no psychometric tests, just gut feel and experience.
The gems that ChartMan got from Manning are probably not the gems I got!
I've also done the Farley course too - and the only thing which to me was worth the £1k cost of the course was a little throw-away line about Elliotts. To me it was music to my ears, and priceless information. And it just all clicked.
But you have to sort and sift through an awful lot of chaff before you find the nuggets of pure gold.
So once you really really know who you are, how you're emotionally able to cope with trading and drawdowns, that's the time to consider whether you should seek outside help for your trading.
So you have to know yourself well and truly before you go on any trading courses. And that's really hard to do - there's no questionnaires to fill in, no psychometric tests, just gut feel and experience.
The gems that ChartMan got from Manning are probably not the gems I got!
I've also done the Farley course too - and the only thing which to me was worth the £1k cost of the course was a little throw-away line about Elliotts. To me it was music to my ears, and priceless information. And it just all clicked.
But you have to sort and sift through an awful lot of chaff before you find the nuggets of pure gold.
So once you really really know who you are, how you're emotionally able to cope with trading and drawdowns, that's the time to consider whether you should seek outside help for your trading.
Jane,
Yes I fully agree with you that trading strategies / reading books / attending courses etc do not necessarily make you a good trader but neither does opinions from other people on BB's who may or may not be successful traders themselves. My question to you was what makes you any more qualified than myself to comment as to whether Sandy's methods produce successful trades? Obviously I will know myself whether the trades are successful or not as it will be my money on the table. Then I can either say the course worked for me or it did not work for me and that is what I will report back on in time.
I was being rather faceitious suggesting you blindly follow trades. Apology.I did not trade any of IK's trades myself but the thread was very interesting and it was only when the 'money' thing reared it's ugly head that other posters practically rumbled his system so anybody trading his trades early on would have just been following his recommendations without the knowhow. Again 'cj12's trades' is a very entertaining thread but once again he does not say what his sytem is just what his trades are and yes good for him as he shows his losses aswell but I would want to know his methodology before I put any money on the line.
I don't want to end this negatively so all in all yes it is good for people to voice their opinions but I will be able to tell everybody myself whether the Course has been of any use or not because I will be either richer :cheesy: or poorer lol
Yes I fully agree with you that trading strategies / reading books / attending courses etc do not necessarily make you a good trader but neither does opinions from other people on BB's who may or may not be successful traders themselves. My question to you was what makes you any more qualified than myself to comment as to whether Sandy's methods produce successful trades? Obviously I will know myself whether the trades are successful or not as it will be my money on the table. Then I can either say the course worked for me or it did not work for me and that is what I will report back on in time.
I was being rather faceitious suggesting you blindly follow trades. Apology.I did not trade any of IK's trades myself but the thread was very interesting and it was only when the 'money' thing reared it's ugly head that other posters practically rumbled his system so anybody trading his trades early on would have just been following his recommendations without the knowhow. Again 'cj12's trades' is a very entertaining thread but once again he does not say what his sytem is just what his trades are and yes good for him as he shows his losses aswell but I would want to know his methodology before I put any money on the line.
I don't want to end this negatively so all in all yes it is good for people to voice their opinions but I will be able to tell everybody myself whether the Course has been of any use or not because I will be either richer :cheesy: or poorer
loltoo many cooks?
Seems to me the only people talking him down are those who "modify" his methods or must have been asleep for the entire day (or lie about going to the course in the first place!)
Sandy is one of the most honest yet down to earth people I have ever met, and the difference between him and some of the people on this site who talk him down are that he is a successful trader ........... says it all really.
Re Sandy and his course .......... the only way anyone will find out if it's for them is to DO it! All I can say is his methods are so simple yet accurate a 10 year old could make money !Zenda said:
Seems to me the only people talking him down are those who "modify" his methods or must have been asleep for the entire day (or lie about going to the course in the first place!)
Sandy is one of the most honest yet down to earth people I have ever met, and the difference between him and some of the people on this site who talk him down are that he is a successful trader ........... says it all really.
