Pat494
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Yes the population is set to rapidly expand in coming years just as sea levels rise.
Yes the population is set to rapidly expand in coming years just as sea levels rise.
How do you know levels will rise,
Yes the population is set to rapidly expand in coming years just as sea levels rise.
Immigration
I was thinking; surely Pat's started a thread that addresses this topic - if not specifically - then in general terms. This one looks to me to be the best fit.
All parties in their election campaigns have one thing in common - they don't want to discuss immigration and don't want to make specific commitments either to increase it or reduce it. My feeling is that although immigration isn't the cause of all the country's problems - it's certainly a contributory factor to a great many of them. Here's why . . .
Current net levels are circa 300,000 per annum. That's roughly a city a size of Newcastle; housing them alone will require a new home to be built every 6 minutes, 24/7. Then there's the infrastructure that's required; transport, schools and health services etc. That's just the ones who are here legally. Of all illegal immigrants that enter the EU, some 25% come to the UK, estimated to be around 1,000,000 people. Now, before going any further, the points I'm making here have absolutely nothing to do with Brexit or racism. I accept completely the argument that people from all over the world can enrich the UK in many ways and, if the numbers are limited to sustainable levels - then I welcome them with open arms. However, the current high volume is anything but sustainable.
By way of example - take the impact of immigration on the NHS. The number of outpatient appointments has doubled in the last ten years, putting massive strain on the service. The solution offered by politicians is to throw more and more money at the problem and recruit more staff etc. But, critically, none of them mention ways in which the growth in outpatient numbers can be slowed or even stalled. I realise there are many reasons for the huge increase, such as an ageing population, cuts to budgets for social care, staff shortages and lifestyle factors etc. However, it strikes me as a no-brainer that if the population of the country is exploding then, surprise surprise, outpatient appointments will rise too. Doh! Cutting the population growth is an obvious way to help alleviate the problem, and the easiest way to do that is to impose strict and enforceable limits on the numbers of people we allow to enter the UK permanently. But, like I say, no politician is prepared to say that for fear of being branded a racist, Islamophobic or xenophobic etc.
Tim.
– All good stuff in theory but you'll never get general approval for it when they realise the localised economic consequences. Even so, it's a drop in the ocean compared to population explosion which is exponential & therefore likely to get out of control if not already so. And although we take it very seriously in UK, what about the rest of the world eg. China? Indian subcontinent?re: 0007,
we obviously can't go foraging for nuts, berries, that would be silly.
but we can stop importing so much stuff, and encourage local produce, and businesses.
Do we really need to import meats from Aus and NZ, when we should be buying Welsh and Scottish?
Perhaps a small levy on transport miles, making local products more attractive?
Don't know, but don't make the simplistic lumping of all eco-types into one meme.
I think we should utilize wave-generators for fuel, for example. (Salter Ducks, OTEC thermal, etc)
There are simple, practical things we can work on, that aren't airy-fairy, pseudo-politico Extinction Rebellion-type nonsense,
re: 0007,
we obviously can't go foraging for nuts, berries, that would be silly.
but we can stop importing so much stuff, and encourage local produce, and businesses.
Do we really need to import meats from Aus and NZ, when we should be buying Welsh and Scottish?
Perhaps a small levy on transport miles, making local products more attractive?
Don't know, but don't make the simplistic lumping of all eco-types into one meme.
I think we should utilize wave-generators for fuel, for example. (Salter Ducks, OTEC thermal, etc)
There are simple, practical things we can work on, that aren't airy-fairy, pseudo-politico Extinction Rebellion-type nonsense,
timsk,
you are so wrong, on so many levels, I don't know where to begin.
(full disclosure: I am a tree-hugger, but believe only technology (mostly) can save us. not a big fan of millenial whiners like Thunberg, either.)
Are you saying the doubling of NHS appts are directly caused by a mere extra 300K pa?
How much is the increase due to expanded services by NHS?
When it comes to NHS resource requests, how many are immediate life-threatening?
(car accidents, broken bones, industrial accidents, OBGNY compiications?) - external threats?
How many are long-term issues caused by life-style? - internal?
Lung cancer (preventable by not smoking), liver disease (preventable by not drinking to excess), obesity (preventable by portion-size, and self-restraint)?
How many NHS issues are "fix-and-done" and how many are "oh-crap:-no-fix:-just-manage-the-issue-till-death" drip-drip cost?
With regards to immigration:
can the UK survive without importing food and resources? (oil, coal, gas, food)
If you had a warm home, books, and a stocked fridge, and someone burst into your home, and took your heaters, books and the food in your fridge, would you not follow them across town, find their house, banged on their door, and say "hey, thats my warmth, education, and food!", I want it back!?"
How this any different to us plundering resources from lands beyond our shores, but shut the door on the people we are effectively depriving, when they come knocking wanting their stuff back?
When we build new generation car-batteries for our electric cars, what are the critical metals we need? Platinum, cadmium, nickel, cobalt? Whats the indigenous resource levels of those when you buy a new smartphone, toaster, or Tesla?
Anyway, hope you had a good day trading, and enjoy your weekend.
I can help with that. In a nutshell, my main point is that allowing in a million immigrants every three years is unsustainable: we're a (relatively) small island that's densely populated (5th in the world, I believe), without the necessary resources and infrastructure to support such high numbers. If you think I'm wrong on this specific point, I'd be interested to hear your counter argument.. . . you are so wrong, on so many levels, I don't know where to begin.
No, absolutely not. To be fair, I acknowledged there are all kinds of reasons for the increase - and listed a number of them. That said, it seems completely logical to me that if the population increases - then demand on the NHS (and housing, transport and education etc.) will be commensurate.Are you saying the doubling of NHS appts are directly caused by a mere extra 300K pa?
I sort of get your point, but what I don't really get is what all this has to do with the my core point? Even if one accepts what you say without question - what do you suggest - that we fling open our doors to the entire world and let in anybody and everybody that wants to come and live here? If so, our national guilt may be assuaged, but I can say with complete confidence that it won't end well!With regards to immigration:
can the UK survive without importing food and resources? (oil, coal, gas, food)
If you had a warm home, books, and a stocked fridge, and someone burst into your home, and took your heaters, books and the food in your fridge, would you not follow them across town, find their house, banged on their door, and say "hey, thats my warmth, education, and food!", I want it back!?"
How this any different to us plundering resources from lands beyond our shores, but shut the door on the people we are effectively depriving, when they come knocking wanting their stuff back?
When we build new generation car-batteries for our electric cars, what are the critical metals we need? Platinum, cadmium, nickel, cobalt? Whats the indigenous resource levels of those when you buy a new smartphone, toaster, or Tesla?
Anyway, hope you had a good day trading, and enjoy your weekend.
Even though I'm in the United States I have to ask you this question because our country has the same problems:you are so wrong, on so many levels, I don't know where to begin.
(full disclosure: I am a tree-hugger, but believe only technology (mostly) can save us. not a big fan of millenial whiners like Thunberg, either.)