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gtspeed · Jan 30, 2018

Hi All

Just a quick one like many others I see the market move quickly against you the second a trade is placed.

Happens all the time and never in my favour, however today as usual the same happened and seeing a move happen on the AUS/USD I placed a trade both sell and forced buy to have 2 positions in opposite directions and guess what no movement for the last hour just a tick 1 way then the other. Is it me or are IG Index playing silly buggers something I have thought fro a long while ...... Just a thought

tomorton · Jan 30, 2018

Just a thought but is the discrepancy accounted for by the spread? That would always put you in the red with no change to charts or quotes.

Emini-mouse · Jan 30, 2018

gtspeed said:
Hi All

Just a quick one like many others I see the market move quickly against you the second a trade is placed.

Happens all the time and never in my favour, however today as usual the same happened and seeing a move happen on the AUS/USD I placed a trade both sell and forced buy to have 2 positions in opposite directions and guess what no movement for the last hour just a tick 1 way then the other. Is it me or are IG Index playing silly buggers something I have thought fro a long while ...... Just a thought

Set up IG demo account (in another name)
When you trade have demo open
Compare

gtspeed · Jan 30, 2018

No the market simply stalled, would move a tick one way think about it then move the other a tick. A few mins can go with but to stall for a hour seemed strange

gtspeed · Jan 30, 2018

Emini-mouse said:
Set up IG demo account (in another name)
When you trade have demo open
Compare

Sounds like a good idea , I did check against Intertrader and they where a good 2 points different so I wonder

PS

Still no movement either way

Brumby · Jan 30, 2018

gtspeed said:
Hi All

Just a quick one like many others I see the market move quickly against you the second a trade is placed.

Happens all the time and never in my favour, however today as usual the same happened and seeing a move happen on the AUS/USD I placed a trade both sell and forced buy to have 2 positions in opposite directions and guess what no movement for the last hour just a tick 1 way then the other. Is it me or are IG Index playing silly buggers something I have thought fro a long while ...... Just a thought

If you think the market or the broker is always out to get you then that becomes part of your belief system. In the words of Van Tarp "You do not trade the market, you trade your beliefs about the market". Be mindful of the dispositional affect when making trade decisions.

I have a question for you. What do you see in the following words?

OPPORTUNITIESARENOWHERE

TheRegulator · Jan 30, 2018

I know exactly what your saying. It does happen all the time. I cant explain it either. But as soon as you place a sell market order for example it stalls and shoots the other direction. It very clear to see that happen on the 1 min or 30 sec charts. Its like your positon acts as resistance. Its manipulated to go against you, besides who wants you to take their money, no one of course so, they'll do all they can to stop you winning and get you in to margin call or bully you to closing your position.

The market will make you bleed for all you have. Retail traders will lose, and your emotions will play with you, so you end up doubling up and lose more.

Dont leave the day job.

Brumby · Feb 3, 2018

TheRegulator said:
I know exactly what your saying. It does happen all the time. I cant explain it either. But as soon as you place a sell market order for example it stalls and shoots the other direction. It very clear to see that happen on the 1 min or 30 sec charts. Its like your positon acts as resistance. Its manipulated to go against you, besides who wants you to take their money, no one of course so, they'll do all they can to stop you winning and get you in to margin call or bully you to closing your position.

The market will make you bleed for all you have. Retail traders will lose, and your emotions will play with you, so you end up doubling up and lose more.

Dont leave the day job.

I do agree with your description on the general outcomes of most retail traders but not the causality. For example, if you are frequently having margin call issues that is because you have a position sizing problem relative to your equity. Don't blame your broker.

TheRegulator · Feb 3, 2018

Brumby said:
I do agree with your description on the general outcomes of most retail traders but not the causality. For example, if you are frequently having margin call issues that is because you have a position sizing problem relative to your equity. Don't blame your broker.

My broker is a market maker and offers 500:1 leverage. So they know what's going to happen to their customers account. They just enticing the retailer to play. Then take you to the cleaners. That not being naïve either.

Brumby · Feb 3, 2018

TheRegulator said:
My broker is a market maker and offers 500:1 leverage. So they know what's going to happen to their customers account. They just enticing the retailer to play. Then take you to the cleaners. That not being naïve either.

Naivety is believing that one can trade a 500:1 leverage position and not get busted. Victimhood mentality is blaiming the broker for offering it because one is stupid enough to take it up. The road to recovery is responsibly acknowledging the above.

TheRegulator · Feb 3, 2018

Brumby said:
Naivety is believing that one can trade a 500:1 leverage position and not get busted. Victimhood mentality is blaiming the broker for offering it because one is stupid enough to take it up. The road to recovery is responsibly acknowledging the above.

Why defend the brokers, they're all part of this massive financial manipulation. Yes they provide the platform, but they want some thing in return and bringing us into the game.

The banks, hedge funds, Market makers are all on the same team. Playing against the Retailers. Poor you and me. Statistics don't lie 90% of retail traders will lose.

To the original poster, be very aware of the pit fall. You aint going to the the 10%. Sorry just reality.

Brumby · Feb 3, 2018

TheRegulator said:
Why defend the brokers, they're all part of this massive financial manipulation. Yes they provide the platform, but they want some thing in return and bringing us into the game.

The banks, hedge funds, Market makers are all on the same team. Playing against the Retailers. Poor you and me. Statistics don't lie 90% of retail traders will lose.

To the original poster, be very aware of the pit fall. You aint going to the the 10%. Sorry just reality.

I have no vested interest with platform providers and I don't disagree with the statistics that 90 % of retail traders loose money. I have a problem with ignorant gamblers and traders who take outsized risk through leverage and blame the system for their own failures.

mpups · Feb 3, 2018

TheRegulator said:
My broker is a market maker and offers 500:1 leverage. So they know what's going to happen to their customers account. They just enticing the retailer to play. Then take you to the cleaners. That not being naïve either.

it IS being naive actually; they allowed you to take yourself to the cleaners, they didn't do the taking

TheRegulator · Feb 4, 2018

good. so we all agree trading is bad.

brewski1984 · Feb 4, 2018

TheRegulator said:
good. so we all agree trading is bad.

It's only bad for mug punters that don't understand what they're doing.

tomorton · Feb 4, 2018

Trading with high leverage is like skiing - there are risks but nobody's ever forced to take the black run. I don't hear many calls from any directions for skiing to be banned.

TheRegulator · Feb 4, 2018

brewski1984 said:
It's only bad for mug punters that don't understand what they're doing.

Are you the 90% (lose) or the 10% (win).?

You gotta give the original poster both sides of the debate. His a newbie and giving him false hope of being that 10% is wrong.

TheRegulator · Feb 4, 2018

tomorton said:
Trading with high leverage is like skiing - there are risks but nobody's ever forced to take the black run. I don't hear many calls from any directions for skiing to be banned.

You've been around for a long time. Don't know whether your consistently profitable or not. But tell the OP how it is. Everyone talks as if they know everything about trading and their all profitable. Come on let it out.

brewski1984 · Feb 4, 2018

TheRegulator said:
Are you the 90% (lose) or the 10% (win).?

You gotta give the original poster both sides of the debate. His a newbie and giving him false hope of being that 10% is wrong.

My overall P/L over the 7 years I've been trading is positive. You should not be abusing leverage unless you understand what you are doing, which is exactly what I posted. I think these proposed leverage changes are a bit harsh but I honestly do think there should be something in place to stop noobs who don't know what they're doing from losing everything. I am always telling my friends and anyone who asks me about trading (or any gambling) that the best thing to do is stay away from it.

TheRegulator · Feb 4, 2018

brewski1984 said:
My overall P/L over the 7 years I've been trading is positive. You should not be abusing leverage unless you understand what you are doing, which is exactly what I posted. I think these proposed leverage changes are a bit harsh but I honestly do think there should be something in place to stop noobs who don't know what they're doing from losing everything. I am always telling my friends and anyone who asks me about trading (or any gambling) that the best thing to do is stay away from it.

"I am always telling my friends and anyone who asks me about trading (or any gambling) that the best thing to do is stay away from it."

Exactly and Agree, i couldn't have put it better.

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