NEVER LOSE AGAIN!! TheRumpledOne

ViennaTrader: Only trade ONE PAIR until you master this. When you keep changing pairs, you increase your chances of stringing losses together. By trading ONE PAIR, you know sooner or later you will catch the reversal off the daily low.
 
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RESULTS.

1) price within 20 pips of the daily low - that is OPPORTUNITY

2) red candle closes

3) green candle closes - note the high price of the green candle.

4) enter long at the green candle's high price

5) STOP LOSS IS 10 PIPS

6) Take whatever profit you can.

"The technique is so simple that just several lessons (or a few pages of explanations) cover it all. Now what? Now the student has to practice, practice and practice again to understand what he had been taught. The teacher DOES know much more than the student, but his understanding can't be "passed", "transferred" or taught in any way -- not even by reading books."
 
ViennaTrader: Only trade ONE PAIR until you master this. When you keep changing pairs, you increase your chances of stringing losses together. By trading ONE PAIR, you know sooner or later you will catch the reversal off the daily low.

Thank you for every suggestion. I just thought to look at more pairs because if many pairs are starting to rise there could be be no green rat opportunity for hours. To keep concentration I started to look at pairs who are about making new lows. Overall you are certainly right, watching many pairs and manage upcoming multiple entries is pretty hard and as you said - being wrong on one pair mostly means you are wrong on others too.
 
2u: "T2W site has certain standards,..."

"1.6 Please don't pretend to be an expert if you aren't one."
 
TRO,

Which MBT platform do you use to trade? MBT desktop Pro or the MBT desktop standard?

To make you the IB do I just indicate that you recommended me? Anything else to do?

Mark
 
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RESULTS.

1) price within 20 pips of the daily low - that is OPPORTUNITY

2) red candle closes

3) green candle closes - note the high price of the green candle.

4) enter long at the green candle's high price

5) STOP LOSS IS 10 PIPS

6) Take whatever profit you can.

"The technique is so simple that just several lessons (or a few pages of explanations) cover it all. Now what? Now the student has to practice, practice and practice again to understand what he had been taught. The teacher DOES know much more than the student, but his understanding can't be "passed", "transferred" or taught in any way -- not even by reading books."
 
.....When you keep changing pairs, you increase your chances of stringing losses together.....


Can you explain the logic behind this declarative statement? What intrinsic value does "one pair" have over "another pair" such that it carries a higher probability for yielding successful trades, where another pair would not?

Foolish Thief
 
RESULTS.

1) price within 20 pips of the daily low - that is OPPORTUNITY
2) red candle closes
3) green candle closes - note the high price of the green candle.
4) enter long at the green candle's high price
5) STOP LOSS IS 10 PIPS
6) Take whatever profit you can.

"The technique is so simple........


Based on that, I applied this technique to 16 June 2010 on the EURUSD_M5 from 0000 GMT through the hour of 0805 GMT, where no further trades were allowed under the rules stated above. Here's what I found:

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The Red circles are losers.
The White circles are winners.
The Blue circle is not allowed as market moved outside of 20 pip opportunity range.

Stats:

6 Winners
8 Losers
1 Non-Trade-able

Total Trades Triggered: 14
Success Ratio: 42.857%

Question: Do you classify this as a trading system, or a trading strategy? Do you trade this system/strategy yourself and are you profitable? Lastly, what is the historically relevant basis (the empirical evidence/data) for the trigger behind this system? That being: Red Close, Green Close, Enter at High[i+1]. Lastly, what's the historical Success Ratio of the system/strategy that you trade and it is better than 42.857%?

Foolish Thief
 
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1) price within 20 pips of the daily low - that is OPPORTUNITY

“Now, 2 patterns of market behavior happen on a regular basis:

1) the price breaks to new high's (or low's)

2) the price reverses from new high's (or low's)

They happen regardless of time frame (with the obvious limitations explained above)

They are phenomena that can be exploited without the fear if found out by others, that they might cease to exist.” - H. Rearden
 
Can you explain the logic behind this declarative statement? What intrinsic value does "one pair" have over "another pair" such that it carries a higher probability for yielding successful trades, where another pair would not?

Foolish Thief

Yes, I can.

First, I did NOT say, "You should trade one particular pair over another."

Let's assume you are trading a-pair and it makes a new daily low. You enter a rat reversal and get stopped out. You wait and enter again with the same result. On the third attempt price goes on in your direction to make a new daily high. You more than recover the first 2 losses.

On the other hand, if you trade a-pair and lose, then b-pair and lose, then c-pair and lose, you may have missed the reversal off the a-pair low of the day.

But to be fair with you some pairs have a better bottom wick frequency distributions than others. Those pairs are the ones you want to trade. GBPUSD is one such pair.

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Over the last 1000 days the bottom wick of the GBPUSD was 20 pips or higher over 70% of the time. That means an entry within 20 pips of the daily low usually was profitable.
 
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Based on that, I applied this technique to 16 June 2010 on the EURUSD_M5 from 0000 GMT through the hour of 0805 GMT, where no further trades were allowed under the rules stated above. Here's what I found:

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The Red circles are losers.
The White circles are winners.
The Blue circle is not allowed as market moved outside of 20 pip opportunity range.

Stats:

6 Winners
8 Losers
1 Non-Trade-able

Total Trades Triggered: 14
Success Ratio: 42.857%

Question: Do you classify this as a trading system, or a trading strategy? Do you trade this system/strategy yourself and are you profitable? Lastly, what is the historically relevant basis (the empirical evidence/data) for the trigger behind this system? That being: Red Close, Green Close, Enter at High[i+1]. Lastly, what's the historical Success Ratio of the system/strategy that you trade and it is better than 42.857%?

Foolish Thief

I do not agree that the red circles are losers. The RAT REVERSAL ENTRY criteria must be satisfied for a RAT REVERSAL entry to occur. The first red circle is NOT valid RAT REVERSAL. The second red circle is NOT a loser if you use a 10 pip stop loss.

I classify this as a trading METHOD. RAT REVERSAL is an entry trigger.

Here is the frequency distribution showing the potential profit of the RAT REVERSAL ENTRY on the D1 time frame.

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RESULTS.

1) price within 20 pips of the daily low - that is OPPORTUNITY

2) red candle closes

3) green candle closes - note the high price of the green candle.

4) enter long at the green candle's high price

5) STOP LOSS IS 10 PIPS

6) Take whatever profit you can.

"The technique is so simple that just several lessons (or a few pages of explanations) cover it all. Now what? Now the student has to practice, practice and practice again to understand what he had been taught. The teacher DOES know much more than the student, but his understanding can't be "passed", "transferred" or taught in any way -- not even by reading books."
 
Yes, I can.

First, I did NOT say, "You should trade one particular pair over another."

Here's the original quote:

ViennaTrader: Only trade ONE PAIR until you master this. When you keep changing pairs, you increase your chances of stringing losses together. By trading ONE PAIR, you know sooner or later you will catch the reversal off the daily low.

Mathematically, when you reduce all choices down to "ONE," that physically and logically eliminates all other choices. In other words, "ONE PAIR" cannot exist in the same domain as all other pairs, because of the unique exclusionary property that you assign to "ONE PAIR" by logical definition. So, by excluding all others, you thereby give "ONE PAIR" its unique identity and thus you define "ONE PAIR" to be "specific" by definition. Logically, this is flawless.

So, based on the accurate representation of your own post, the question still stands: What makes "ONE PAIR" logically more uniquely qualified to be traded under your system/methodology than any other pair, not having the same unique attributes. Again, a logically flawless question.


Let's assume you are trading a-pair and it makes a new daily low.

That's called an illogical assumptive, given the declaration made above, that "ONE PAIR" excludes all other pairs (inherently defined by the declaration: "Only trade ONE PAIR..., which by logical definition must extend to and include a-pair as well. In other words, the underlying premise is flawed from the beginning when an explanation to the previous question is initiated with an illogical assumptive that includes items which were previously excluded by definition. Thus, everything else that flows from this illogical assumptive must likewise be considered part of the underlying flawed premise itself.

...You enter a rat reversal and get stopped out. You wait and enter again with the same result. On the third attempt price goes on in your direction to make a new daily high. You more than recover the first 2 losses.

Well, only if a leap in logic as large as the assumptive itself ensues after the third trade. Here's why:

RESULTS.

1) price within 20 pips of the daily low - that is OPPORTUNITY
2) red candle closes
3) green candle closes - note the high price of the green candle.
4) enter long at the green candle's high price
5) STOP LOSS IS 10 PIPS
6) Take whatever profit you can.

Bullet point number six in the declared procedure is what creates a direct conflict and contradiction in the statement:

You more than recover the first 2 losses.

The reason for this, is that bullet six is classic open ended assumption without specific definition. Therefore, the trader cannot establish nor include positive expectancy on the target - because the trader does not know where the target exists. And, without knowing where the target exists, it includes all targets in existence which would allow for a 1 Pip target to be included within the definition of: 6) Take whatever profit you can.

Considering the total number of trades made by the trader using this system/method, the given spread of the platform in use, slippage and the physical reaction time of the trader him/her self, a 1 Pip target is less than a probabilistic occurrence per trade and would most likely leave the trade with an aggregate total loss on the session. So, this forces the trader to go up the probabilistic chain of possible target outcomes to values that exceed 1 Pip. However, with every increment above the 1 Pip lower limit, the mathematical probability of striking a higher target is reduced, and so on. This is the inherent problem with open ended assumptive target declarations that do not have positive specification.

On the other hand, if you trade a-pair and lose, then b-pair and lose, then c-pair and lose, you may have missed the reversal off the a-pair low of the day.

Unfortunately, you've just strung together three inconsistent illogical assumptive declarations, which compounds the error in the underlying premise. Here's why: Pair "A", Pair "B" and Pair "C," have unknown outcomes, theoretically. Not knowing the outcome of either pair in the assumed matrix of pairs used, mathematically guarantees that neither pair can carry more or less positive outcome weight than another pair in the same matrix. Therefore, there can be zero (no) net gain in trade outcome probability, by remaining with "ONE PAIR' over another in the matrix, because they all mathematically carry (share) precisely the same equivalent p-factor. Basic differential equations (calculus) makes this true. The differential in probabilities for a positive outcome from Pair "A," can be no higher than Pairs "B" or "C" - specifically because all pairs share the same unknown outcome from the start AND because no pair is removed from the matrix of pairs used to form the differential probability. Therefore, it would be mathematically and logically impossible for the following assumptive declaration to be true:

...When you keep changing pairs, you increase your chances of stringing losses together. By trading ONE PAIR, you know sooner or later you will catch the reversal off the daily low.


Which, by the way, assumes a fourth, unstated and unfounded declaration: That there will be a reversal of the daily low.

How does the trader know this? Do all currency pairs reverse from their daily low AND continue to climb in price? Is it possible that some currency pairs simply continue making incremental daily lows throughout the majority of the trading session, before retracing upwards near the close?


But to be fair with you some pairs have a better bottom wick frequency distributions than others. Those pairs are the ones you want to trade. GBPUSD is one such pair.

Over the last 1000 days the bottom wick of the GBPUSD was 20 pips or higher over 70% of the time. That means an entry within 20 pips of the daily low usually was profitable.

That is empirical and historical data (evidence) that is very useful information and it is not to see that you included it here. However, when you speak of "bottom wick frequency distributions" occurring over the "last 1000 days" on GBP, you do not make mention of the what the full cyclical distribution looks like. Or, what the displacement of that same distribution turns out to be when you include all bottom wicks that ultimately resulted in a continuation of the downward price pattern before reaching any specified target target level.

Outside of that fact, I will give credit for having at least posted a portion of the bottom wick distribution pattern - regardless of how incomplete that representation might be in this thread, thus far. Maybe you can clarify or add the full cyclical distributions where the trend was continued and no designated target was struck. But, in order to do that, you will have to eventually deal with bullet number six above, which right now, stands a one of the biggest problems for this system/method.

Thanks for replying.
 
...The first red circle is NOT valid RAT REVERSAL.

Agreed and removed from the Loser column. Placed into the No Trigger column.


..The second red circle is NOT a loser if you use a 10 pip stop loss.

A 10 pip stop loss is a loss nonetheless. Using an 11 pip stop, still produces a loss. Using a 12 pip stop still produces a loss. The reason this trade was a loss, has far less to do with the location of the stop, rather the absence of a specified target. Using a "Take whatever pips you can get," target declaration is a little like saying, show up late to a sold out concert and take whatever seat you can get. It is genuinely a moot point, unless you can find a scalper willing to sell an authentic ticket that reserves a seat that actually exists inside the stadium. In this case, if you went Long, then you effectively just purchased a ticket from a scalper who never had an authentic seat to sell.

I classify this as a trading METHOD. RAT REVERSAL is an entry trigger.

Thank you very much, that answers a long standing question for me. I assumed as much, given the greater layers of complexity typically involved in true trading Systems.


Here is the frequency distribution showing the potential profit of the RAT REVERSAL ENTRY on the D1 time frame.

My post originally displayed the EURUSD_M5, not the M1. Given the shift in time frames, does the Stop Loss change as well? Or, do you maintain the same Stop level regardless of time frame in use?
 
Foolish Thief:

It is obvious from your questions that you are a YALE STUDENT and the RAT will beat you.

You will not find what you are looking for in this thread.

"Look, for example, at this elegant little experiment. A rat was put in a T-shaped maze with a few morsels of food placed on either the far right or left side of the enclosure. The placement of the food is randomly determined, but the dice is rigged: over the long run, the food was placed on the left side sixty per cent of the time. How did the rat respond? It quickly realized that the left side was more rewarding. As a result, it always went to the left, which resulted in a sixty percent success rate. The rat didn't strive for perfection. It didn't search for a Unified Theory of the T-shaped maze, or try to decipher the disorder. Instead, it accepted the inherent uncertainty of the reward and learned to settle for the best possible alternative.

The experiment was then repeated with Yale undergraduates. Unlike the rat, their swollen brains stubbornly searched for the elusive pattern that determined the placement of the reward. They made predictions and then tried to learn from their prediction errors. The problem was that there was nothing to predict: the randomness was real. Because the students refused to settle for a 60 percent success rate, they ended up with a 52 percent success rate. Although most of the students were convinced they were making progress towards identifying the underlying algorithm, they were actually being outsmarted by a rat."

Pg 64 - HOW WE DECIDE
 
Basically, what it all comes down to is that all candle have a wick at both ends. Another words, there was a point on that candle that is was lower and higher than both the open and close. In the case of the daily, it starts at tghe beginning of the trading day with nothing. As things progress into the Japanese session, the bias is being formed. If the system can ascertain that direction for the day, then wait for price to move in the counter direction, then jump in.
Here's a little trick, and check it out for confirmation. Look at the range of the previous day. The size of the wick in the opposing direction for the next day is about 10-20% of that. An example--let's say cable's range for the day is 100 pips. Lete's say for the next day you have clear indiactions it will end south. Wait for the open for the next day, let it go 10-20 pips up, and then jump in.
I hope that applies to your thread. Just wanted to pass it on.


Yes, I can.

First, I did NOT say, "You should trade one particular pair over another."

Let's assume you are trading a-pair and it makes a new daily low. You enter a rat reversal and get stopped out. You wait and enter again with the same result. On the third attempt price goes on in your direction to make a new daily high. You more than recover the first 2 losses.

On the other hand, if you trade a-pair and lose, then b-pair and lose, then c-pair and lose, you may have missed the reversal off the a-pair low of the day.

But to be fair with you some pairs have a better bottom wick frequency distributions than others. Those pairs are the ones you want to trade. GBPUSD is one such pair.

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Over the last 1000 days the bottom wick of the GBPUSD was 20 pips or higher over 70% of the time. That means an entry within 20 pips of the daily low usually was profitable.
 
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“Now, 2 patterns of market behavior happen on a regular basis:

1) the price breaks to new high's (or low's)

2) the price reverses from new high's (or low's)

They happen regardless of time frame (with the obvious limitations explained above)

They are phenomena that can be exploited without the fear if found out by others, that they might cease to exist.” - H. Rearden


1) price within 20 pips of the daily low - that is OPPORTUNITY

2) red candle closes

3) green candle closes - note the high price of the green candle.

4) enter long at the green candle's high price

5) STOP LOSS IS 10 PIPS

6) Take whatever profit you can.

"The technique is so simple that just several lessons (or a few pages of explanations) cover it all. Now what? Now the student has to practice, practice and practice again to understand what he had been taught. The teacher DOES know much more than the student, but his understanding can't be "passed", "transferred" or taught in any way -- not even by reading books."
 
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