Elton John to perform his funeral hit at Amy Winehouse funeral

[Black Swan]

Candle under the Spoon..

 

[Doomberg]

Thats not even funny, a young girl died a few days ago... you have an 18 year old daughter right?
How would you feel if you got a phone call to say she was dead? Normally my sense of humour is
all for banter but Amy was a very talented young girl, sadly her demons got the better of her

 

[Black Swan]

In excess of 100,000 adults in the UK die of drug and alcohol related ilness each year. Admissions to A&E of a weekend are circa 50% related to drugs and drink. Our wards are clogged full of individuals who have either smoked, drunk, or drugged themselves into their admission..

If there is to be a legacy for her self destruction it should be that millions of functioning alcoholics and drug abusers in the UK wander amongst us like the zombie dead without successive govts. tacking the problem from the right way up.

Anyone addicted to substances will tell you that alcohol is the most difficult to give up, for decades the MSM and society has deemed it OK to get out of your skull on booze, govts have liked this because in their myopic and profit driven view it's taxable and "if they're out their box on one thing far less likely they'll be on others.."

Whilst the MSM had a Jane Goody style martyr fest yesterday millions in the horn of Africa are dying..I'd have rather seen loops of that info., whilst I was on the treadmill and bike at the gym and how we're tackling it, as opposed to how Amy 3/4 hit wonder finally killed herself with substance abuse..Her choice..unlucky..

 

[the hare]

I was sickened by the hypocrisy of UK politicians (and their wives) publically displaying their faux grief over the death of Amy Winehouse.

These hypocrites are the very people responsible for cutting NHS spending on mental health, addiction, and rehabilitation services.

Other than taking a healthy slice of her earnings in taxation, they didnt give a flying **** about the poor girl or her problems (or anyone elses for that matter)

Whilst I was genuinely saddened to hear of her death, the scenes outside of her appartment where almost reminiscant of scenes following the death of Diana Spencer. WFT is happening to the UK ?

 

[anley]

Thats not even funny(

Well, I found it funny :cheesy:

She had plenty of money and support to get clean so it's hardly that tragic.

Poor News of the World closing because that sort of story was right up their alley.

 

[Masquerade]

Anyone addicted to substances will tell you that alcohol is the most difficult to give up, for decades the MSM and society has deemed it OK to get out of your skull on booze, govts have liked this because in their myopic and profit driven view it's taxable and "if they're out their box on one thing far less likely they'll be on others.."

Any proof/documentation on that or are you making it up/assumptions?

 

[pboyles]

No need for a post mortem then, she died of drink and/or drug abuse. Better ring the Pathologist and tell him not to bother.

 

[bbmac]

Surprised no one has picked this up yet, The Sunday Times Culture magazine carried a joke that said '...I am surprised Amy Winehouse self harms -she is such a minger you would have thought she could find someone to do it for her...' Ie another own goal from News International !?

Would have been quite a funny joke on any other day...probably were already off the presses when the news broke @ 6pm ish on Saturady evening.

G/L

 

[Pazienza]

Personally, I can't understand why anybody other than her friends, family and possibly some very dedicated fans are at all concerned. If you are not one of those, her death is no different all the others that occurred that day.

I suppose people like to indulge themselves with a little ersatz grief for a few hours, as they did over the Diana death.

Black Swan is right about booze - it is the hardest and the only one that is physically dangerous to give up cold turkey, assuming you're far enough along. Everything else you can just quit, but if you're into booze heavy enough you can't.

 

[Mr. Charts]

Very sad - she had a wonderful voice.
She chose her path of free choice and having become addicted could have got the best help in the world......
Ultimately we are responsible for our own choices, both to ourselves and to those who love us.
Very sad, but there is only so much sympathy an individual can feel and I feel it for those who cannot help themselves or the situation circumstances have put them in.
Nevertheless, R.I.P., though the music does live on.....
Richard

 

[scose-no-doubt]

Black Swan is right about booze - it is the hardest and the only one that is physically dangerous to give up cold turkey, assuming you're far enough along. Everything else you can just quit, but if you're into booze heavy enough you can't.

tosh

how many junkies do you two know?

 

[Pazienza]

tosh

how many junkies do you two know?

It's not tosh, Scose, it's simply a fact. People who have long and very serious alcohol addictions cannot simply quit, as it is physically dangerous to do so.

A heroin addiction, for example, does not create the same risk. Doubtless it is very unpleasant, as is overcoming a dependence upon any substance, but it is not physically dangerous to simply quit.

 

[the hare]

how many junkies do you two know?

Admittedly not that many. However I will make the point that most of the alcholics that I know typically seam to relapse at a far greater rate and frequency than the people I know with substance abuse issues.

The alcholol industry spends a fortune lobbying politicians to ensure that the damaging effects of their particular product are swept under the carpet.

 

[scose-no-doubt]

A heroin addiction, for example, does not create the same risk. Doubtless it is very unpleasant, as is overcoming a dependence upon any substance, but it is not physically dangerous to simply quit.

yes it is. extremely so.

Also, crack and heroin at street level do infinitely more damage to the body.

 

[scose-no-doubt]

Admittedly not that many. However I will make the point that most of the alcholics that I know typically seam to relapse at a far greater rate and frequency than the people I know with substance abuse issues.

Don't disagree, but out of all the junkies I known through the years, off the top of my head I can't see a recovery rate of above 5%.

 

[Pazienza]

yes it is. extremely so.

Could you provide some references and evidence that immediately quitting heroin is dangerous - that is, as I have stated, physically dangerous due to the effects of sudden and complete withdrawal? I maintain that it is not physically dangerous to do so. It is possible I suppose that there are extremely rare cases, but in general sudden withdrawal from opiates is not physically dangerous. This is in contradistinction to sudden with withdrawal from alcohol, which can indeed be physically dangerous to those in the advanced stages of alcoholism (there is in fact a risk of death due to sudden complete abstinence from alcohol).

Also, crack and heroin at street level do infinitely more damage to the body.

I'm sure they do. So what?

 

[scose-no-doubt]

I'm sure they do. So what?

Thats why it's dangerous.

 

[Vorbis]

Solid scientific evidence is logically more reliable than anacdotal stories :

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101101162138.htm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/nov/01/alcohol-more-harmful-than-heroin-crack

 

[Pazienza]

Thats why it's dangerous.

No, that is why it is dangerous to take them in the first place. I do not dispute, and have not disputed this. You can readily verify this by glancing over my previous posts.

What I wrote was that it is not physically dangerous to STOP taking heroin, even if one does so suddenly and completely. This is in contradistinction to alcohol, which can be physically dangerous to stop taking suddenly and completely. People in the advanced stages of alcoholism are in physical danger if they stop cold turkey, due to the physical effects of sudden and complete withdrawal.

It seems you disagree with this simple fact, which is why I have asked you to provide some evidence for your assertion that such a physical danger exists for those who suddenly cease taking heroin.

 

[scose-no-doubt]

Solid scientific evidence is logically more reliable than anacdotal stories :

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101101162138.htm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/nov/01/alcohol-more-harmful-than-heroin-crack

must be.