do spreadbetting firms change real market prices

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Hello i have heard some people tell me that spreadbetting prices are slighly diffrent form real market prices which can lead to people loosing money i am still new to spread betting so any experiance or advice would be great :)
 
Hello i have heard some people tell me that spreadbetting prices are slighly diffrent form real market prices which can lead to people loosing money i am still new to spread betting so any experiance or advice would be great :)

Spread-bet companies' prices do often differ from the real market prices marginally, however that is not why people lose money spread-betting. It's because they haven't acquired the skills to trade profitably yet. It's all too easy to blame the 'evil' spread-bet firms when they can't admit they're the reason themselves the money keeps flowing out of their account on a weekly basis.
 
To the first and second approximation, no they don't. This kind of conspiracy talk is just failed "traders" looking for anyone to blame but themselves.

To the third approximation: yes, slightly. They can move their spread around (but not away from) market price to aid balancing their book, and their hedging can itself move the market. But really don't worry about this.
 
To the first and second approximation, no they don't. This kind of conspiracy talk is just failed "traders" looking for anyone to blame but themselves.

To the third approximation: yes, slightly. They can move their spread around (but not away from) market price to aid balancing their book, and their hedging can itself move the market. But really don't worry about this.

Whad a load of bocks.They move their prices in the middle of night ,get right to your stop and take it out, like midnight bucket cleaning for their owner who is surreptitiously taking other side of your bet.Keep away from these crooks in suits in the city of London.
 
I have been using IG (relatively actively) for several years now. I have yet to see an instance of their prices being more than negligibly different from the real mkt prices.
 
I have been using IG (relatively actively) for several years now. I have yet to see an instance of their prices being more than negligibly different from the real mkt prices.


.........when the underlying market is open. Overnight, I cancel my stops and orders to stop them getting hit by spikes. Deliberate manipulation of quotes or not I'm not qualified to say, just that I don't get caught that way any more.
 
.........when the underlying market is open. Overnight, I cancel my stops and orders to stop them getting hit by spikes. Deliberate manipulation of quotes or not I'm not qualified to say, just that I don't get caught that way any more.
True dat, but, again, to be fair to IG, in all of the products I have traded with them, they would make prices only when the underlying mkt is open. So I've never seen anything fictitious either during or outside mkt hours. I speak only of fixed income products and some FX (spot & fwd) that I have traded, nothing else.
 
To the first and second approximation, no they don't. This kind of conspiracy talk is just failed "traders" looking for anyone to blame but themselves.

To the third approximation: yes, slightly. They can move their spread around (but not away from) market price to aid balancing their book, and their hedging can itself move the market. But really don't worry about this.
i was thinking about this actually...but then couldnt some punter bet £1 000 000 a pip on an illiquid stock and then see the SB's hedge put him in profit?
 
Whad a load of bocks.They move their prices in the middle of night ,get right to your stop and take it out, like midnight bucket cleaning for their owner who is surreptitiously taking other side of your bet.Keep away from these crooks in suits in the city of London.

Ok is that true or so called consiracy talk? I now have some people saying they do and they dont what are the facts just need to know for shure before i invest my money.. Besides if Spreadbetting companies do rip people off shurley the FSA Financial Services Authority can shut them down if they chase your stops??
 
i was thinking about this actually...but then couldnt some punter bet £1 000 000 a pip on an illiquid stock and then see the SB's hedge put him in profit?

Yes. But he wouldn't be able to get out. So it kinda pointless.
 
Ok is that true or so called consiracy talk? I now have some people saying they do and they dont what are the facts just need to know for shure before i invest my money.. Besides if Spreadbetting companies do rip people off shurley the FSA Financial Services Authority can shut them down if they chase your stops??

David, you're new to the forum so you have no way of knowing this:- but oildaytrader is a retard. When other forum members meet him on the street (fairly unlikely as most of us aren't in the habit of wandering under concrete bridges at night) then we pelt him with tomatos. Ignore anything he says.

A spread betting company can indeed quote FTSE (say) at 11pm. But think about what would happen if it manipulated it to some ludicrous value. Say it went 6000 bid tonight. What would happen? Well very simply folks with a lot of money would smash that 6000 bid and buy other indecies against it. So while SB companies have some leeway, they don't have *that* much - so the products they quote outside of trading hours will always be reasonably sensible. Indeed they cannot move more than a few ticks so long as there are firms making a price, otherwise arbitrageurs will have a go.
 
No they don't.

Incidentally neither do bookies. It hasn't been tested in court for either. With regard to the latter, who are far more relevant than spread betting companies in this regard (and I think we should call it palpable error in line with industry practice) this has only been tested by IBAS; who very clearly state they're only upholding it as it was practice before bets became enforceable, in lieu of a court decision on it.

So maybe things will happen soon...
 
Ok is that true or so called consiracy talk? I now have some people saying they do and they dont what are the facts just need to know for shure before i invest my money.. Besides if Spreadbetting companies do rip people off shurley the FSA Financial Services Authority can shut them down if they chase your stops??


If you are going to spreadbet you are not investing your money, you are gambling with it and there is a very high chance you will lose most of it. The vast, vast majority of people fail at spreadbetting. Mostly because they dont know what they're doing but also because the SB companies will find ways to take even more money off them by widening the spread, freezing the platform etc etc. Forget about the FSA checking up on them, they do as they please.
 
But they can also take some levered profit away from you too with their underhand platform freezes etc which is a bit sh1tty of them
 
anyone who thinks that a top spread betting company would deliberately "freeze" their platform to stop a punter closing his poxy ftse bet is clearly a complete retard. it just doesn't happen.

if the platform freezes/your browser sticks/whatever niche porn you are watching in another window starts to swallow too much bandwidth, call the dealing desk and close out your position by phone.
 
You can tell by the comments here that there are so many with absolutely no experience or understanding of how SB firms work.

They cant just do do what they want, when they want. They ARE regulated no matter what anyone says.

If you want to prove otherwise, get all the data say from CME and compare it to the prices of the accused rip off SB firm. (Is this not the most logical 1st port of call?) after all, you need proof to make these sort of accusations.

If you get scared simply because a platform freezes then you either: dont know what you are doing or you are trading with too much leverage.

Remember they are a business too. For example; you cant expect them to offer you a tight bid/offer when the underlying futures market is extremely light on the orderbook.
This is the most likely time that anyone will have a problem because the underlying markets move so fast around news announcements. SB firms cant fill you if they cant get filled themselves. So the solution is simple, either dont trade around these times or switch to direct market for limit orders.

There is far too much ignorance apparent, and a lot of blame.:eek:

Understand how it all fits together and you will embrace the fact that SB exsist!!!!!

Arabian made it quite clear as to any theory of manipulation to moving the price around. There are always players in the know that would hammer the SB firm if they did this. They would end up losing more because big players would hit them hard if they see price discrepancy.

No matter what anyones says, the financial markets in the norm, are very transparrent and well regulated especially considering the amounts of money involved.

End of the day, they are a business, and you need to know how they fit in to your trading plan, if indeed they do?
 
All I can say is open a spreadbet account and find out for yourself, after 6 months you'll know who was right and who was wrong.
 
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