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also one parting shot......

if the Yen and USD are going to have a little divorce action (outside of direct and unashamed intervention by the Countries banks) then its NFP day .......divergence usually rules as is so far the case since the announcement.......

hence why most traders do tend to stand clear .....

N
 

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jees ........if you ignored the usd and traded the DOW,YEN pattern....it just went big time

Euro continues to be the nemesis of the Yen so there was 100 pips on a plate....

have a look on any recent TF and count the bars those 2 are ever on the same side of the Zero ! :)

N
 

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later all ..gotta scoot ......make some pips for me off the late shift

N
 
another reason to associate a strong DJI with a weaker USD - perhaps the most important of the many?

"One of this past week's features has been the strength of the euro versus the USD. There is no doubt the confirmation by Bernanke is going to proceed with the purchases of $85B per month until employment is under 6.5% is viewed as USD bearish. The continued expansion of the Fed's balance sheet, contrasted to the ECB's balance sheet contraction after the repayment of bank loans has the euro bulls excited."

Ralph Shell Casbackforex
Euro Soars as Italian and Spanish Conditions Worsen

But for how long - Bozo Barroso, Rumpy-Pupy and the other charlatans are still in charge - ansd still in denial. Watch out for Spain and... "Timeo Danaos dona ferentes."

Trade canny,

Hamish
 
I think I deserve a couple of cynical observations after my contributions above...

Old City joke - "Denial? He thinks that's a river in Egypt."
and,

"Parting shot" is derived from "Parthian shot" - named for those "heroic" horse-archers of the Middle East who were adroit backwards at the gallop as they ran away. Nothing new under the sun, really, is there?

H
 
Thanks for the details Hamish

Some of that does make sense, but I do think it is counter-intuitive. Still I guess no one ever said that the markets work in an intuitive fashion.

J

OK - I have done it for you - and anyone else who would like reminding!
Here goes...
USD, DJI and FX
1. When the dollar rises strongly, companies which
export a lot of goods or with
large overseas operations
will suffer as overseas sales translate into lower US dollar profits.
Many of the largest US companies fall into this category including PG, KO, CAT, DE, GE, BA, MSFT, INTC.
This drives prices of stocks in lower.

2. Carry-trade positions unwinding, money flowing to heaven-safe currency: USD.

3. Weak USD US stock market has been artificially inflated for the past couple of years by a weak dollar. Since US stocks are denominated in the USD, they're generally cheaper on the international market, and mutual funds, investment companies, etc. in Europe and Asia see them as a good deal, so they buy them up.

When the EUR was introduced, it was worth about 60% as it is now against the USD, and the Dow was around 7,000... now it's around 14,000. If we assume that the Dow is an accurate measurement of the stock market in dollars*, then essentially it didn't go very far in almost a decade.

5. When the dollar goes stronger, foreign investors see this as a good opportunity to take a profit by selling all their holdings, which causes the stock market to fall. If and when the USD does make a long-term comeback against other currencies, the US stock market is going to crash, and crash hard.

I would agree that a consistently stronger dollar might cause a correction in the markets, but they will not tumble overnight because of it, just as the dollar will not gain strength instantenously. Furthermore (and this is not to throw in any conspiracy theories), one implicit objective of the Fed is to protect large U.S. equity holders from losing their money, so in its usual manner, when this correction does happen, it will adjust the interest rates to stop the bottom from falling out of the stock market. Which will, in turn, lead to a weakening of the dollar against other currencies, completing the cycle.

6. When stocks start to go down, foreign investors and speculators buy-back the dollar for the dollar-denominated assets; the dollar's safe-haven appeal comes into play.
Also, Treasuries- a refuge when the market is "risk-on".
Gold usually moves goes against the dollar's direction.
When market tumbles, it's risk-on time and carry-trades are reveresed. This is known as "unwinding") becomes due and people buy what they had once sold to buy the stocks.
That is, when market is healthy, I fund my positons by borrowing Yen (with 0.5 percent interest rate) to buy USD, which buys US stocks. When risk materialises up, it all goes the other way around.
 
another reason to associate a strong DJI with a weaker USD - perhaps the most important of the many?

"One of this past week's features has been the strength of the euro versus the USD. There is no doubt the confirmation by Bernanke is going to proceed with the purchases of $85B per month until employment is under 6.5% is viewed as USD bearish. The continued expansion of the Fed's balance sheet, contrasted to the ECB's balance sheet contraction after the repayment of bank loans has the euro bulls excited."

Ralph Shell Casbackforex
Euro Soars as Italian and Spanish Conditions Worsen

But for how long - Bozo Barroso, Rumpy-Pupy and the other charlatans are still in charge - ansd still in denial. Watch out for Spain and... "Timeo Danaos dona ferentes."

Trade canny,

Hamish

yep the Eurozone is not out of the mire yet.......watch the avg Bond yield spreads of the eurozone southern(all?) countries vs the baseline German bund.....thats where you can see the ongoing tension and potential impact on the Euro :smart:

N
 
I think I deserve a couple of cynical observations after my contributions above...

Old City joke - "Denial? He thinks that's a river in Egypt."
and,

"Parting shot" is derived from "Parthian shot" - named for those "heroic" horse-archers of the Middle East who were adroit backwards at the gallop as they ran away. Nothing new under the sun, really, is there?

H

like the "Gosup" Trading methodology in my FXcorrelator ......

if it gosup - buy the currency :innocent:

N
 
well the Dow got its 14,000 on my platform last night.......I hope the countries of the world realise how much money that has cost them now and the untold damage to ensue when the music stops

Jees ......i'm a happy one today :)
N
 
shouldnt complain though.........never been a better time to be a trader
 
ok heres the daily chart on that 20ma delta 3 setting ......the 3 delta smooths things a little and is in fact measuring the indivdual currencies 3ma of their 20ma

look at mid November...... see the Euro ?....See the Yen ?

Yen has not been South of the zero now for Nearly 3 months......Euro has popped south briefly a couple of times but nothing serious.....its all been trekking north

Thats one mother of a trade and the pairing is about 20% up .....20%

and thats how Trend followers on Higher timeframes make the fat tail profits that fund the losers....they would buy the Euro index and sell the Yen index (ETF's)

alongside buying the Dow of course ......mid November was a hell of a time to buy it from although the big funds would not have been in so early .....Trend followers need ample % proof of a Trend formation before entering .......

have a great weekend
N
 

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So I did mention that I'd been looking at the strength meter for a little while, to try to get a feel for what works and what doesn't.

One thing that jumped out at me is that the cross of two currencies in the indicator can be a pretty good signal to buy or sell those two currencies.

For example, I took the meter and applied it to a chart, and configured it to only display the strengths for the currencies on that chart. We want a bit of vol, and the GBPJPY has a fairly high ADR at the moment with around 200 pips movement per day! So, I put it on GBPJPY chart, and I only show the GBP and JPY in the indicator.

Of course, the meter is still measuring general strength in the two currencies, but when you see a cross on the indicator, it appears to show very clear signals of when to buy or sell.

I attached a screen shot from the last couple of days.

In the majority of cases when the indicator crosses, it shows a clear change in the strength of the two currencies and potential buy or sell trades.
I highlighted the approximate position on the chart for each cross and it looks like the average trade on the 15M chart could have had a pretty good R:R ratio when using a sensible stop, however there is obviously one trade that could have been worth over 200 pips.

But that isn't cherry picked, it has been like that over any period over the last few weeks. Now it isn't like that all the time. I was looking back at the charts and there are plenty of examples where the indicator would just constantly cross back and forth, but that was when the GBPJPY was ranging. On the hourly chart for example, back in July over a two week period there were 21 crosses, compared with 12 crosses over the last 2 weeks. So when the pair is trending, these look like really clear signals.

Has this way of using the indicator been discussed already in the thread? It might be that I am just looking at a very small window and it doesn't actually stand up over the long term. Or perhaps there is something in this?

Thanks

J
 

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hey Jedster........excellent stuff....and I hope others are playing as well

I dont discuss currency crossovers much here at the thread as you all know....

I focus on generally currencies being above below the Zero line ...thats where we see comparisons always to the G8's average and not 1 on 1 currencies ...

a crossover on a strengthmeter (say 20ma setting) will be the same as the MA pair for the 2 currencies on a standard pairchart.......if it wasnt then the strengthmeter is set incorrectly !

so above you are advocating using a Standard pair MA as the signal set on whatever the FXcorrelator setting is ........nothing wrong with that at all

in fact Tom Yeomans (accustrength) uses pairchart crossovers to identify trades BEFORE he moves to using his accudtregth systems.....

so tell us more Jed..tell us more !

N
 
Apologies, is there a different thread I should talk about these currency crossovers?

I am a little confused, you don't mean just adding a 20 MA to the chart do you, because I tried that and the cross on the indicator does not match with the price crossing the MA.

Could you just expand on that a little?

Thanks

J

hey Jedster........excellent stuff....and I hope others are playing as well

I dont discuss currency crossovers much here at the thread as you all know....

I focus on generally currencies being above below the Zero line ...thats where we see comparisons always to the G8's average and not 1 on 1 currencies ...

a crossover on a strengthmeter (say 20ma setting) will be the same as the MA pair for the 2 currencies on a standard pairchart.......if it wasnt then the strengthmeter is set incorrectly !

so above you are advocating using a Standard pair MA as the signal set on whatever the FXcorrelator setting is ........nothing wrong with that at all

in fact Tom Yeomans (accustrength) uses pairchart crossovers to identify trades BEFORE he moves to using his accudtregth systems.....

so tell us more Jed..tell us more !

N
 
hey all

heres the Xmen version of my FXcorrelator.......I use it on lower MA's like the 1 ma (yes the 1ma !)

http://www.trade2win.com/boards/for...-basic-ideas-strategies-1068.html#post1801140

the 1ma is useful for looking at bar strength for any TF from 15m to monthly.it instantly tells yuo who is doing what during the "live" bar or any previous bar

So for example you could look at the monthly TF on a 1ma and only buy the leading currency ..or sell the lowest currency on the lower TF's ......

heres the monthly TF on a 1ma.....remember the right hand side current bar ( Feb) is only 2 days old hence how tight the guys are at the moment ........but look at last months previous bar (Jan)

Euro was higher by a mile than anyone else ......imagine taking a buy trade as it started to get clear of the others ?.......another idea for a system ?.....sure is...sure is....

and in the last 7 months is a row ....buying Euro and Selling yen would have netted you positve pips ...guaranteed !

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Apologies, is there a different thread I should talk about these currency crossovers?

I am a little confused, you don't mean just adding a 20 MA to the chart do you, because I tried that and the cross on the indicator does not match with the price crossing the MA.

Could you just expand on that a little?

Thanks

J

hey Jedster........

the standard FXcorrelator here is set to a LMWA so there may be a slight diff vs the sma or whatever is used for the Paircross...otherwise they s/be close

in your example you are using my 20/3 setting so there will be a difference vs a 20ma on the pairchart .a 20/1 setting would make them close enough...

please talk away here regarding the system you are looking at ......looks good to me (y)

and yes I naturally also use some of the pairchart dynamics to initiate some entries and of course Exits ......but the FXcorrelator is always part of the gameplan

N
 
Liam Halligan on currency wars in to-day's Tellybubbygraph:

"For now, “currency wars” are a relatively arcane debate limited to foreign exchange specialists and diplomats. But this issue has already adversely affected hundreds of millions of people who consider themselves largely immune to the vicissitudes of international markets, not least in the UK."

and,

"To understand what’s really going on here, headline nominal exchange rates should be ignored in favour of real effective exchange rates – which give a weighted measure of each country’s currency against their actual trading partners."

"actual trading partners" derives into "currencies."

He must be a disciple of NVP and the FXCorrelator as well!

Save me from terminal depression by reading the rest of the article:

Falling yen set to spark renewed currency wars - Telegraph

At this rate, "Civil" unrest will become the euphemism of the decade.

Trade what you see... and trade canny.

Hamish.
 
Liam Halligan on currency wars in to-day's Tellybubbygraph:

"For now, “currency wars” are a relatively arcane debate limited to foreign exchange specialists and diplomats. But this issue has already adversely affected hundreds of millions of people who consider themselves largely immune to the vicissitudes of international markets, not least in the UK."

and,

"To understand what’s really going on here, headline nominal exchange rates should be ignored in favour of real effective exchange rates – which give a weighted measure of each country’s currency against their actual trading partners."

"actual trading partners" derives into "currencies."

He must be a disciple of NVP and the FXCorrelator as well!

Save me from terminal depression by reading the rest of the article:

Falling yen set to spark renewed currency wars - Telegraph

At this rate, "Civil" unrest will become the euphemism of the decade.

Trade what you see... and trade canny.

Hamish.
 
Hi composer

I think I saw your Request for where to find instructions and guidance


1) go to the signature area below and you will be guided to the basic strategy and document
2) this thread pretty much comments on the same settings/Strategy every day

20ma delta 1 FXcorrealtor
dow jones with a 20 sma line

these are simple rules that can be adapted to your own ideas .........I am a big fan in teaching people some basic ideas and then letting them loose.......we are all different and I am not you and you are not me .............we all have our own little paths to walk in trading and i am just offering some ideas on one area - using forex strengthmeters and simple intermarket correlation

also go to my Videos on youtube....(FXcorreIator.com channel)

I need to get a few more in there.... but I am pretty much doing the same now on this thread as the videos from last 2 years ......and I am going to drop some videos in from My VIP course last year as a bonus soon....

I have a website - FXcorrelator.com but a few issues with developers at the moment so apologies if it shows up with malware issues (long story)

ask questions here !
N
hi, you are right.
thanks a lot. i will check the manual and videos now.
regards,
composer
 
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