Corbyn - not a nice man

[counter_violent]

Trouble is when change is due Generals Elections are generally lost rather than won as people vote to get rid of the party in power. And who do they swing to in order to effect that? The next biggest party in terms of number of seats, that's who. And who will that be? Surprise, surprise it's Labour.

We've seen it all before, they came back into power after the last time they were consigned to the wilderness forever as unelectable following a major desertion of members to the new Social Democrats.

Well, One election cycle at a time is how it goes. So I think we can confidently predict that the next G E will be an increased majority and a further move right of center, even though this Govt will be more moderate by it's make up.

So if Labour do split, which is highly likely, the left will eventually peter out, the centrists will take an age to form into anything approaching credible and a further faction of former Labour voters turned UKIP will ensure we stay right of center.

There is zero chance that "Labour" will be the next Govt.

 

[Atilla]

Well, One election cycle at a time is how it goes. So I think we can confidently predict that the next G E will be an increased majority and a further move right of center, even though this Govt will be more moderate by it's make up.

So if Labour do split, which is highly likely, the left will eventually peter out, the centrists will take an age to form into anything approaching credible and a further faction of former Labour voters turned UKIP will ensure we stay right of center.

There is zero chance that "Labour" will be the next Govt.

You forgetting Liberal Democrats :idea:

 

[Mr. Charts]

You forgetting Liberal Democrats :idea:

Who?

 

[counter_violent]

You forgetting Liberal Democrats :idea:

Yes.

 

[Mr. Charts]

Oh yes ! I remember.
The last known one was the Cleggosauraus Extincticus.
I don't think DNA cloning is that advanced that they could be recreated.

 

[Atilla]

Oh yes ! I remember.
The last known one was the Cleggosauraus Extincticus.
I don't think DNA cloning is that advanced that they could be recreated.

Tories owe Liberals! Thought they did well to come together and worked great. Simply that LibDems not as cut-throat as the Tories. :whistling

Labour MP's welcome at LibDems House

 

[Mr. Charts]

Liberals owe Tories for their once in a century opportunity to share in govt.

"Labour MPs welcome at LibDem House" STILL not learnt to not prostitute themselves ha ha

 

[counter_violent]

There are always losers and winners. Redistribution of monies, wealth and assets.

People will fight harder during bad times, be less giving or generous.

Ofcourse, there was and is nothing to stop the UK exporting what ever it wants now anyhow so I can't fathom what difference it will make making new deals. Much ado about nothing from the Brexit camp.

Mr Dyson is a plank in my opinion. Fact that he exports 81% of his products to outside of EU and still mouths of about Brexit being a grand old idea is just how far people will stick their heads up their own ends.


Deals can be made anytime including now but in general more probable during upturns and good times imo.

Well if Dyson is a plank, I guess that would make Sugar a total plank. Fancy being quite a few tens of millions worse off on your London property portfolio, cos you couldn't read the mood of the country properly.

Bloody amateur.
I'm fired !

 

[sminicooper]

Corbyn is a very, very dangerous man. Should he and his ilk ever gain power they will change the rules to embed themselves in government on a permanent basis and will persecute and eradicate any opposition. Just like Hitler, they will get to this initial position quite legally and with the support of hoodwinked voters. If you want any idea of what they would be like, just find out all you can about "Momentum" his political support body who are for instance, currently undermining and bullying current Labour MPs who do not subscribe to their aims.

The current stock of Labour MPs must hold themselves to blame for ever having enabled Corbyn to appear on the ballot paper in 2015 – this was done only at the last moment and in an attempt at "fairness". And this was from people who knew his form and themselves wanted to be in government – what a joke!

If the May government does not crush Corbyn (by legal means of course, and they will have to do it because the Labour party is incapable) there could be serious consequences.

 

[Atilla]

Liberals owe Tories for their once in a century opportunity to share in govt.

"Labour MPs welcome at LibDem House" STILL not learnt to not prostitute themselves ha ha

You have blinkered tunnel vision. Put note in diary.

YOU must visit Specsavers.

 

[Atilla]

Reason Corbyn's name was put on the ballot paper, was precisely because he was an unknown and not expected to do well.

We should not underestimate the minority 'fringe' groups who do not represent the majority but carry sufficient ability to skew, throwing off balance the majority.

:idea:

 

[Atilla]

Well if Dyson is a plank, I guess that would make Sugar a total plank. Fancy being quite a few tens of millions worse off on your London property portfolio, cos you couldn't read the mood of the country properly.

Bloody amateur.
I'm fired !

Do you not see the difference between what they are saying?

 

[sminicooper]

Reason Corbyn's name was put on the ballot paper, was precisely because he was an unknown and not expected to do well.
Unknown to the electorate at large – yes, but not to those in the political know – which includes the MPs

We should not underestimate the minority 'fringe' groups who do not represent the majority but carry sufficient ability to skew, throwing off balance the majority.

So true, so true.

:idea:

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[Mr. Charts]

You have blinkered tunnel vision. Put note in diary.

YOU must visit Specsavers.

Seriously, the Libs going into coalition was right for the country and Cleggings and the Libs paid a high price being decimated in the election because their core vote was left of centre and hated the Tories. I happen to think a realignment of the left between Libs and moderate Labour will result in a new party and that is to be welcomed.

 

[barjon]

Seriously, the Libs going into coalition was right for the country and Cleggings and the Libs paid a high price being decimated in the election because their core vote was left of centre and hated the Tories. I happen to think a realignment of the left between Libs and moderate Labour will result in a new party and that is to be welcomed.

Been there, done that, got the tee-shirt.

In the last breakaway the gang of four's Social Democrats (soon to merge with Libs) suffered the same problem in that the Labour rump held the seats.

 

[Atilla]

Seriously, the Libs going into coalition was right for the country and Cleggings and the Libs paid a high price being decimated in the election because their core vote was left of centre and hated the Tories.


Hate is a strong word. Don't see it that way. More like Nick renegading on promises, compromising too much in negotiations giving more away than the Tories. Tough choice but country required action and one that had to be made.

I feel LibDems should be commended.

I happen to think a realignment of the left between Libs and moderate Labour will result in a new party and that is to be welcomed.

Agree with the latter part. Some deal between two minority parties with common interests could be made to work.

Many voters (and the same happening in the US with the Republicans) probably feel two party system doesn't represent the many varied beliefs and objectives of the populace.

 

[Splitlink]

None so blind as those who will not see.

That is what makes the electorate so dangerour, in any country.

That is why Putin, who is ex-KGB, is in power.

It is, also, why Trump is doing so well

The 3Bs. Bull**** Baffles Brains

 

[tomorton]

Corbyn is a very, very dangerous man. Should he and his ilk ever gain power they will change the rules to embed themselves in government on a permanent basis and will persecute and eradicate any opposition. Just like Hitler, they will get to this initial position quite legally and with the support of hoodwinked voters. If you want any idea of what they would be like, just find out all you can about "Momentum" his political support body who are for instance, currently undermining and bullying current Labour MPs who do not subscribe to their aims.

The current stock of Labour MPs must hold themselves to blame for ever having enabled Corbyn to appear on the ballot paper in 2015 – this was done only at the last moment and in an attempt at "fairness". And this was from people who knew his form and themselves wanted to be in government – what a joke!

If the May government does not crush Corbyn (by legal means of course, and they will have to do it because the Labour party is incapable) there could be serious consequences.

This is the correct end game starting with from the establishment of a socialist form of government.

If I read it correctly, socialism aims for state ownership, control and management of a country's means of production. There's a massive question of whether that could be done efficiently. But there's still the moral question of who gives the state the right to simply requisition on a permanent basis the legally got and legally used property of any individual or entity.

I suppose in a democracy its the people who might empower such a government. But having gained all the cards, is such a government really likely to gamble every 5 years on having them taken away again? Not realistically, when they appointed themselves as the protector of the downtrodden and unfortunate minorities (every one of us potentially belongs to at least one of these) and therefore any attempt to remove them from power must be interpreted as a manoeuvre to attack the state, its structure and such minorities. Which effectively means treason. And next thing you know they are morally bound to make opposition parties are illegal.

 

[Splitlink]

You guys are painting a very unpleasant picture of a man I thought, from my spot outside the UK, was, simply, unfit to be leader.

Better safe than sorry. Best get rid of him while you can.

 

[tomorton]

Another element of risk with Jeremy Corbyn is he won't necessarily conform his actions as Leader to the official policies of his own party. So as he must regard his own party's Manifesto as just paper, you can't quite know what you're going to get if you vote him in.