Capitalism

Returning to the debate on capitalism, here is a non-comprehensive list of good things.

With capitalism, more choice is provided than ever before.

It might seem at first glance that everyone is selfishly working for their own money, but dig a little deeper and it becomes apparent that every job has a benefit for someone else.

No matter where you start in life, everyone has an opportunity to make it big. The basic principle is that the harder you work, the greater your reward.

Greed is rewarded duly with large amounts of money and the entire economy is fuelled by people working hard to furnish their own needs. In addition, greed causes competition, which is an essential part of advancing the human race.

But what about the other aspects of human nature: altruism, patience and kindness? These have their place, too, in the capitalist world. Left-wing politicians like to claim that an extensive, expensive welfare system is the only way to provide a safety net for the poor, but in actual fact there are tens of thousands of registered charities providing not-for-profit activities, from The National Alliance to End Homelessness to Save the Rainforest.

At school you selected your favorite subjects and could study them as far as you wanted, followed by applying to a job you chose from the widest variety ever seen in history.

Capitalism allows the economy to grow exponentially. It is a basic fact of economics that the more money a firm makes, the more it can invest in production, and the more it invests in production, the more money it makes.

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Perhaps the strongest argument working in favor of democratic capitalism is that there is no alternative politico-economic system which has proved itself to work in our modern age. Almost every attempted implementation of communism has failed (for example, look at China – they abandoned total communism long ago and are slowly creeping towards capitalism) and any central government risks large amounts of corruption.
 
Is capitalism in today's world just another form of socialism.

It relies on tax payers, workers and democracy to feed and grow it.
 
Is capitalism in today's world just another form of socialism.

It relies on tax payers, workers and democracy to feed and grow it.

If you have to ask then you are probably socialist and a Labour supporter.
 
If you have to ask then you are probably socialist and a Labour supporter.

Never voted or supported labour.

Voted conservatives in the UK Margaret Thatcher period and liberial in Australia - John Howard period.
Liberial is the form of conservatives in Australia.

Last 8 years or so never voted or supported anyone.
Could start a thread on reasons not to vote or follow politics.


Question remains.
Is capitalism in today's world just another form of socialism.
 
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Never voted or supported labour.

Voted conservatives in the UK Margaret Thatcher period and liberial in Australia - John Howard period.
Liberial is the form of conservatives in Australia.

Last 8 years or so never voted or supported anyone.
Could not start a thread on reasons note to vote or follow politics.


Question remains.
Is capitalism in today's world just another form of socialism.

How can anyone confuse the two?
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You must admit they sound very similar.

Seriously? You must admit to trying to provoke a reaction with a statement like that. How does owned privately by capitalism and owned collectively or regulated collectively by socialism seem the same? That is like saying antonyms are synonyms.
 
Seriously? You must admit to trying to provoke a reaction with a statement like that. How does owned privately by capitalism and owned collectively or regulated collectively by socialism seem the same? That is like saying antonyms are synonyms.

Not trying to provoke a reaction.
Trying to see if I can find a difference capitalism and socialism.
Not sure if it will make a difference to me if I buy my service or item from a political organisation or private owners.
They both seem able to charge whatever they want.
 
Not trying to provoke a reaction.
Trying to see if I can find a difference capitalism and socialism.
Not sure if it will make a difference to me if I buy my service or item from a political organisation or private owners.
They both seem able to charge whatever they want.

Is that all that you think it amounts to?
 
Returning to the debate on capitalism, here is a non-comprehensive list of good things.

With capitalism, more choice is provided than ever before.

Yes and No

In the UK we have a shortage of land and areas called "green belt" that is not designated to building Houses on.

We have a shortage of houses. Land prices have rocketed over last 25 -40 yrs and many large Building groups have been sitting on land - rather than building on it - so to keep the prices of their houses higher. Also they want to only build houses that make them the most money - luxury 5 -8 bedrooms rather than 3 bedroom

So the councils have to step in and "control " the planning and developments so that all types of houses are built - ie a bigger demand for 2 -4 bedroom houses - but builders would make more money with extra mark up by building more 5 -8 bedrooms etc

Maybe you dont have this problem in California - but you would in Manhatten

This is an example of uncontrolled Capitalism might not always suit the customer - but of course it suits the Businessman



No matter where you start in life, everyone has an opportunity to make it big. The basic principle is that the harder you work, the greater your reward.

Not really true - great theory.

Hard works is required - granted - but its just one of several requirements.

Also some businessmen will not invest in certain projects - simply because they cannot make the returns and profits they require.

In the UK certain large projects have the partnership of both private and public equity - both partners need each other.

Co Capitalism can have more benefits that just pure Capitalism


Greed is rewarded duly with large amounts of money and the entire economy is fuelled by people working hard to furnish their own needs. In addition, greed causes competition, which is an essential part of advancing the human race.

Competitions need rules and regulations - ie in sport and Boxing we have the "Queensbury Rules"

A similar concept need to be bought in to control companies like Goldman Sachs - so to stop all the cheating that goes on



Perhaps the strongest argument working in favor of democratic capitalism is that there is no alternative politico-economic system which has proved itself to work in our modern age. Almost every attempted implementation of communism has failed (for example, look at China – they abandoned total communism long ago and are slowly creeping towards capitalism) and any central government risks large amounts of corruption.

Wrong - but maybe the US is well behind here and countries like the UK and Germany lead

I can address some of the issues you mentioned another time

Please anyone reading this - I am in favour of controlled Capitalism - not the Goldman Sachs type. Goldmans look upon making profits as the number 1 to 100 on their list and with this type of Capitalism - the consumer , the government and even the economy and the rest of the World all suffer

Regards


F
 


I can address some of the issues you mentioned another time

Please anyone reading this - I am in favour of controlled Capitalism - not the Goldman Sachs type. Goldmans look upon making profits as the number 1 to 100 on their list and with this type of Capitalism - the consumer , the government and even the economy and the rest of the World all suffer

Regards


F

1. controlled capitalism? How utterly absurd! that is an oxymoron. Your socialist colors are showing more and more.

We have land shortages because land is an inelastic good, which you would know if you knew enough about economics.

"Manhattan" by the way, does have the problem you mentioned, which is why those who cannot afford it live in Brooklyn or Queens. They do not have or use the price controls you speak of.

California has the same thing. The California Coastal Commission and local coastal cities enact ordinances to prevent big building or huge houses. This drives up the prices exponentially every year, even through the 2008 recession. My parents were looking for a place in the early 90s. In Linda Isle, prices were $700,000 and now they are selling for $20+ million. One just sold for $24,000,000 and it is nothing special.

Capitalism should always run unrestrained. The towns folk where I live have again and again vote against price controls. All the things you mentioned are reasons not to live in England.

Regards my closeted socialist friend.
 
1. controlled capitalism? How utterly absurd! that is an oxymoron. Your socialist colors are showing more and more.

We have land shortages because land is an inelastic good, which you would know if you knew enough about economics.

"Manhattan" by the way, does have the problem you mentioned, which is why those who cannot afford it live in Brooklyn or Queens. They do not have or use the price controls you speak of.

California has the same thing. The California Coastal Commission and local coastal cities enact ordinances to prevent big building or huge houses. This drives up the prices exponentially every year, even through the 2008 recession. My parents were looking for a place in the early 90s. In Linda Isle, prices were $700,000 and now they are selling for $20+ million. One just sold for $24,000,000 and it is nothing special.

Capitalism should always run unrestrained. The towns folk where I live have again and again vote against price controls. All the things you mentioned are reasons not to live in England.

Regards my closeted socialist friend.

LOL

Come of it - you need to get out of the US more

California as nearly twice the land area of the UK and only 60% of the population

The only reason houses are expensive there is because of NOT enough controls on the Capitalist Building groups - probably half of them advised by Goldmans

The right wing Capitalist builders have managed to "DO" the Californian people.

Controls now all too late - the horse as bolted -

California is desirable - i dont know why really - ie with the San Andreas Fault going down it - and its in the wrong World time zone as well.

Ok you have great weather and a great Ocean but so as other parts of the World ?

Sorry - did not get a First in my Economics Degree - only a 2.1 and that was nearly 40 yrs ago - and Economists just have not got a clue in the real world - they are all living in the past with outdated theories . Place 10 in a room - and they would all disagree - even the American ones

I don't think you are doing too well in this discussion - but that's what really funny - you think "true Capitalism" is fantastic - and its making your life more difficult - and you just cannot see it.

PS - forgot to mention - I know a guy and we go back 37 yrs and we were born in same town - he never made Uni - started work - One big asset he possessed was a photographic memory and he used it with his work to make $400 million by the age of 45 ( amongst top 20 richest under 40 yrs Olds in UK before he sold out to an American Corporation)

He loves live - well you can with that type of money - and he's lucky - he has his health etc and 2 lovely children etc. If you ever met him - you would say - he's definitely a Socialist - he looked after his 10 most loyal employees with massive bonuses when he sold out - sharing and caring and a guy with no degree and no University education done extremely well.. One thing his mates all knew from when he was a teenager - he would either end up in jail or make a fortune....... - and so far......


Regards


F
 
LOL

Come of it - you need to get out of the US more
Come off it. You need to get out of the US more.

California as nearly twice the land area of the UK and only 60% of the population.
California has nearly twice the land area of the UK and only 60% of the population.

The only reason houses are expensive there is because of NOT enough controls on the Capitalist Building groups - probably half of them advised by Goldmans.
The only reason houses are expensive there is due to a lack of controls on the capitalist building groups. Probably half of them are advised by Goldman Sachs.

You have a fascination with Goldman Sachs. Goldman Sachs deals in commercial property through private equity.

The right wing Capitalist builders have managed to "DO" the Californian people
The right-wing capitalist builders have managed to do Californians in.

Controls now all too late - the horse as bolted -
It is all too late for controls now. The horse has bolted.

California is desirable - i dont know why really - ie with the San Andreas Fault going down it - and its in the wrong World time zone as well.

That is totally comical. "It is in the wrong time zone".

Ok you have great weather and a great Ocean but so as other parts of the World ?
You have great weather and a great ocean, but so do other parts of the world.

Is that a question or a declarative? Do you honestly think the weather is that great there?

Sorry - did not get a First in my Economics Degree - only a 2.1 and that was nearly 40 yrs ago - and Economists just have not got a clue in the real world - they are all living in the past with outdated theories . Place 10 in a room - and they would all disagree - even the American ones
I did not get a my degree in economics. It was nearly 40 year ago. Economist just do not have a clue in the real world. They are all living in the past with outdated theories. Place 10 of them in a room and they would all disagree.


I don't think you are doing too well in this discussion - but that's what really funny - you think "true Capitalism" is fantastic - and its making your life more difficult - and you just cannot see it.
I don't think you are doing too well in this discussion, but that is what is really funny. You think "true capitalism is fantastic, but it's making your life more difficult and you just cannot see it.


True capitalism is fantastic. I am sorry that you have not been able to taste its pleasures. I don't see the difficulty because I have not had any issues with it. I paid -16.3% tax last year due to tax inversions. I am totally pleased with the current situation in California.

PS - forgot to mention - I know a guy and we go back 37 yrs and we were born in same town - he never made Uni - started work - One big asset he possessed was a photographic memory and he used it with his work to make $400 million by the age of 45 ( amongst top 20 richest under 40 yrs Olds in UK before he sold out to an American Corporation)
P.S. I forgot to mention that I have known a guy for 37 year who was born in the same town as me. He never went to a university. The best asset that he had, was a photographic memory, which he used to work and make $400 million by the age of 45. He was among the top 20 richest people under 40 years old in the UK before he sold his company to an American corporation.

Are you living through your friend vicariously. Are you saying that he is rich without having gone to "university", so you will be too? Anyone and everyone can benefit from going to a university. Attending a university is not solely about a means to an end. You gain an education, which is supposed to be the point. He was certainly not among the 20 richest people in the UK, if all he had was $400,000,000. There are 104 billionaires in the UK.

He loves live - well you can with that type of money - and he's lucky - he has his health etc and 2 lovely children etc. If you ever met him - you would say - he's definitely a Socialist - he looked after his 10 most loyal employees with massive bonuses when he sold out - sharing and caring and a guy with no degree and no University education done extremely well.. One thing his mates all knew from when he was a teenager - he would either end up in jail or make a fortune....... - and so far......

His money is not your money. Start bragging when it is your success and not someone else's.
 
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Are you using this to back up your argument? Its either photo shopped or its a joke by those who don't agree with capitalism !

It is not Photoshopped. Whether or not you can wrap your head around it, some people love capitalism. People in Europe love socialism and look it where it has led them. Even if for some reason they decided to march with a banner contrary to their argument, it is moot. Plenty of people, especially around me, love capitalism. Most people where I live associate high taxes and social welfare programs with socialism and Europe. Greece is the first first-world country to default. The euro is at a 12 year low.
 
It is not Photoshopped. Whether or not you can wrap your head around it, some people love capitalism. People in Europe love socialism and look it where it has led them. Greece is the first first-world country to default. The euro is at a 12 year low.

Mate read the placards...!

"Profit before people"
"Bombs not bread"
"More cars, less trees"


Are you serious???? Its mocking capitalism!

I'm not denying that people love capitalism, just shocked at your lack of irony.
 
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It is not Photoshopped.

Even if for some reason they decided to march with a banner contrary to their argument, it is moot. Plenty of people, especially around me, love capitalism. Most people where I live associate high taxes and social welfare programs with socialism and Europe. Greece is the first first-world country to default. The euro is at a 12 year low.

I did.
 
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