Hi DK,
10/10 for your answers to my first two questions - not quite so strong on the third! ;-)
I'll take your salutation of thanking me for challenging your beliefs at face value - good on you for that. Given what you say - there's nothing in your reply that I can see to suggest the virus is a hoax (as per the definition I provided). I accept fully that you have many concerns about it, ranging from it's origins, numbers infected, deaths, the lock downs, who benefits by it and the politics of it etc., etc. To a greater or lesser extent, I think most of us on this forum share many of those concerns and have - and will continue - to challenge aspects of what we're being fed by MSM. However, that's a very different kettle of fish from denouncing the whole thing as a hoax. Even if the virus was deliberately created and released by some evil James Bond style villain seeking global domination - the virus is still real - it's still out there - people are still catching it and tens of thousands are dying with it. (Note I said with it - not from it.)
Coronavirus could be many things that we're not being told about, nonetheless, the overwhelming evidence is that it exists. It's most definitely not a hoax. I believe I've had it (but can't be sure as I've not been tested), and I only experienced moderate symptoms. Even so, it was unlike any illness I've had as an adult; no barrel of laughs I can tell you! To conclude, I urge you in the strongest terms possible to drop the hoax claim as it weakens - rather than strengthens - your overall argument and paints you personally as being a a lone extremist who is unwilling or unable to accept reality. This is strong language I know, and not meant to be offensive, but I want to impress upon you how some members (not all) may perceive you - and this on a forum where there is broad interest in - and some support for - your views on this topic.
Tim.
Last year, around this time, I was working in a hospital. I picked up something that wiped me out for 2 days. I couldn't even tell you what the symptoms were, but I didn't feel normal. Couldn't stay awake and couldn't eat. Slept for 17 hours straight at one point during that.
If the media had said that a dangerous
novel virus was going around, that would not have made me think it was a hoax, since 'Id just had what was for me, a novel illness.
Numbers/symptoms/claims about what it is, currently are a long long way from being enough to justify the response.
The response will probably be the central focus of debate unless big numbers of people start dying. Claims about the lockdown averting disaster aren't going to really be convincing, when, for example, you have people flying into the country unchecked. Anyone been using a cashpoint without gloves? Or a shopping trolley? Or a petrol pump?
But your main point about calling it a hoax and not providing a crucial piece of evidence to support it does trouble me, yes.
Who wouldn't want proof of what they believe beyond any shadow of a doubt.?
Timsk you are also in this position of having no incontrovertible evidence at this point.:
'the virus is still real - it's still out there - people are still catching it and tens of thousands are dying with it'.
This is what we have been told- you cannot prove it. There are mediical professionals who are challenging it. And there is a history of 'pandemics' that were nothing of the sort.
If I am troubled with doubts, you must also be, unless you can provide what you demand of me.
You say:
'Even if the virus was deliberately created..'
For me , 'deliberately created',
could conform to the problem/reaction/solution model.
If that were the case, that could come under the umbrealla of a hoax.
But on the balance of what we have both said here... I'm withdrawing the word Hoax.
You're right. Calling it that isn't helpful right now.
Questioning everything we are shown and told... that will suffice.
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