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I is also trying it out. The quality of the initial video and cd seems reasonable. However, I find it highly suspect that its released on a monthly basis. At what point do you actually 'learn enough' to implement an idea? If its for 12 months why not just sell the course as a one off for £360? It only took a couple of hours to review the 'Free Trial' stuff. Notice that unlike many schemes, there is no refund of the monthly payments!
Me is getting ready to cancel the standing order before 1st payment is called!
(wouldn't it be nice for one of these guys to share something that really works instead of conning the unwary all the time?)
Bluewave said:
I is also trying it out. The quality of the initial video and cd seems reasonable. However, I find it highly suspect that its released on a monthly basis. At what point do you actually 'learn enough' to implement an idea? If its for 12 months why not just sell the course as a one off for £360? It only took a couple of hours to review the 'Free Trial' stuff. Notice that unlike many schemes, there is no refund of the monthly payments!
Me is getting ready to cancel the standing order before 1st payment is called!
(wouldn't it be nice for one of these guys to share something that really works instead of conning the unwary all the time?)
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I got the same mailing and did a bit of research. Ive been following the progress of Andrew and Tim Lowe for a while now and decided to take the plunge and opt for the £29.95 a month course. Its cheaper than a seminar!! By the way if you have questions just lift the phone to the order line and ask them. I did and they told me the course is 12 parts, ie 1 year at £29.95 a month. I've had the first one which is a bit gung ho and just whets your appetite but if he does what it says on the tin I'll be happy enough. I am one of the 1% who will act on this if it is all that it seems. Its all about selling CDs videos, tapes, and info booklets, high quality products which cost very little to reproduce and about acquiring the rights to sell them. Will keep you posted month by month. But I agree why not sell the whole damn thing for £360? If you have the time and the motivation you want to get going ASAP not in 12 months!
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Hi,
Just joined, so not completely sure how this system works!
I am very interested in ANY comments regarding TIM LOWE - MARKITEER LTD, By reading through the messages posted I have just found out that someone called ANDREW REYNOLDS - MANHATTEN ? apparently ran the business originally.
Would be VERY interested to hear members comments, as I have been thinking of attending the course on 7th May (at a yet to be disclosed location near one of the London Airports!
The cost of the couse is £4999 + vat - but I see from some of the letters posted this course was offered on a monthly basis.
This course has the "refund" option, up to lunchtime, and offers, to those who stay on, a dvd player! and dvd's, licences, contacts, web page, accounts type software etc.
PLEASE could anyone tell me if they know or feel that this is just another scam, or is there anyone out there who has either attended one of these courses, OR actually made it!!
Many thanks
Jacqui
Just joined, so not completely sure how this system works!
I am very interested in ANY comments regarding TIM LOWE - MARKITEER LTD, By reading through the messages posted I have just found out that someone called ANDREW REYNOLDS - MANHATTEN ? apparently ran the business originally.
Would be VERY interested to hear members comments, as I have been thinking of attending the course on 7th May (at a yet to be disclosed location near one of the London Airports!
The cost of the couse is £4999 + vat - but I see from some of the letters posted this course was offered on a monthly basis.
This course has the "refund" option, up to lunchtime, and offers, to those who stay on, a dvd player! and dvd's, licences, contacts, web page, accounts type software etc.
PLEASE could anyone tell me if they know or feel that this is just another scam, or is there anyone out there who has either attended one of these courses, OR actually made it!!
Many thanks
Jacqui
Hi
Further to my post #29
http://www.trade2win.com/boards/showpost.php?p=157092&postcount=29
Should you so wish, please feel free to email your questions to me direct via
[email protected]
Further to my post #29
http://www.trade2win.com/boards/showpost.php?p=157092&postcount=29
Should you so wish, please feel free to email your questions to me direct via
[email protected]
jacqui1304 said:
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I dont know what the seminar teaches as I havent got £5K to gamble on it. However It is not unreasonable to assume you will be learning the nuts and bolts of the same business as the 12 month mail order course teaches. Whats the bottom line? If you spend 5 grand and for whatever reason dont act or act and then give up, youre 5 grand down. If you spend 30 quid a month youve got a year to get it right or cancel your direct debit. Maximum loss is £360 + whatever set up cost are involved in the business. I know which figures I prefer!
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Jacqui,
You won't hear any of the real valuable information before 12pm but the organisers will give you a full refund at 12pm if you do not want to stay.
As far as I know, the ideas that Messers Lowe and Reynolds sell do work and work very well but it is not as easy as they make out in the sales patter. You can't just go out, buy the £7 CD/DVD set and sell it for £49 then buy another, sell etc. You have to research to make sure the product sells, then go out and buy the reproduction rights and then have many copies made up. Also, you have to ensure that there are no competitors. I have seen examples of this type of work in the press, 2 ads, side by side, selling the same Bill Myers DVD for £57.
The idea works but you will probably have to throw a lot of money at it (advertisements in the national press are £1000+) so unless you are cash rich or brave enough to borrow heavily then think twice.
Or, then again, pay, listen to the morning session, stay if you like it, run away with your refund cheque if you don't!
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Re; Tim Lowe / Markiteer Ltd
Hi all,
Just a quick thank you to everyone who replied to my message regarding the £5000 seminar being held by Tim Lowe, Markiteer Ltd on 7th May.
I have quickly come to the conclusion that the money is far better off in my bank account, than in Markiteer's.
In all the 44 pages of blurb that is posted on the Markiteer's web link, Tim Lowe says that he works a couple of hours a day and runs his business from HOME, I phoned the tel no given in the blurb, sounds very much like an office setup!
Anyway thanks again. Happy trading to all.
Regards
Jacqui
Hi all,
Just a quick thank you to everyone who replied to my message regarding the £5000 seminar being held by Tim Lowe, Markiteer Ltd on 7th May.
I have quickly come to the conclusion that the money is far better off in my bank account, than in Markiteer's.
In all the 44 pages of blurb that is posted on the Markiteer's web link, Tim Lowe says that he works a couple of hours a day and runs his business from HOME, I phoned the tel no given in the blurb, sounds very much like an office setup!
Anyway thanks again. Happy trading to all.
Regards
Jacqui
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hiya all,
tim lowe claims he is not into adult dvd/videos. please check the link below, i might be mistaken but just to let every one know about what is going on...! if this is the case anyone can do it why pay over £ 5000 !
http://www.adultfilmdatabase.com/index.cfm/Action/DA/ActorID/4066/Tim_Lowe/
regards
sanjeev gautam
tim lowe claims he is not into adult dvd/videos. please check the link below, i might be mistaken but just to let every one know about what is going on...! if this is the case anyone can do it why pay over £ 5000 !
http://www.adultfilmdatabase.com/index.cfm/Action/DA/ActorID/4066/Tim_Lowe/
regards
sanjeev gautam
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further to my earlier message, type in " tim lowe dvd scam OR tim lowe dvd " in google and you will know what he does. even on ebay search for " tim lowe " and you will find more.
regards,
sanjeev gautam
regards,
sanjeev gautam
Tim Lowe
Sanj
Well done mate. Its good to come forward with this sort of information.
My only concern is that the Tim Lowe of the adult products site is not the Tim Lowe of Markiteer. Are you certain of your research? I have not followed all your links though.
V
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Sanj
Well done mate. Its good to come forward with this sort of information.
My only concern is that the Tim Lowe of the adult products site is not the Tim Lowe of Markiteer. Are you certain of your research? I have not followed all your links though.
V
Hi,
I attended a couple of Manhattan's seminars a couple of years ago, one with the famous Bill Myers in attendance. I managed to get a refund thank God on the basis that they were going to show me radically new on Internet trading. That something new was clickbank.com together with the usual internet marketing stuff which is cramming the pipelines.
Respect to Andrew Reynolds for giving me a full refund, at least on the Bill Myers seminar, without any real argument.
The guy, in my opinion, is not a con man but having said that I wouldn't buy his products. As someone said earlier in the thread he has a lot to offer on teaching standard, good old fashioned direct mail techniques which are proven to work.
My biggest problem is the products he sells. In my opinion most of the Internet marketeers are using MLM techniques with a new slant. Most, or all of the products he encourages you to sell are videos and courses on how to make money selling videos and courses on how to make money selling .... etc. Everyone is churning out the same old stuff and then making their own versions to license to others to churn out the same old stuff. Bill Myers was one of the first and Andrew made his money selling his stuff and then his proteges do the same.
I am amazed that at an exponential rate this market hasn't saturated by now, but it seems there are always newbies coming out to buy into it, and the Internet lets face it is a gigantic market.
In essence you make money telling others that you make money by telling others.
And, as someone else in this thread says it does actually work if you put in your time and you are prepared to put your name to a lot of old tat.
I don't know about his new DVD project but it sounds like another reworking of finding a product and negotiating a license. Nice if you can find a product but I guess it takes more than an hour or two a day at home. Unless that is we recycle the product in his good old fashioned way.
Is it just me or am I the only one who dares call this MLM ?
Anyone want to buy my course on how I've thrown away a small fortune on get rich quick schemes?
Iggy
I attended a couple of Manhattan's seminars a couple of years ago, one with the famous Bill Myers in attendance. I managed to get a refund thank God on the basis that they were going to show me radically new on Internet trading. That something new was clickbank.com together with the usual internet marketing stuff which is cramming the pipelines.
Respect to Andrew Reynolds for giving me a full refund, at least on the Bill Myers seminar, without any real argument.
The guy, in my opinion, is not a con man but having said that I wouldn't buy his products. As someone said earlier in the thread he has a lot to offer on teaching standard, good old fashioned direct mail techniques which are proven to work.
My biggest problem is the products he sells. In my opinion most of the Internet marketeers are using MLM techniques with a new slant. Most, or all of the products he encourages you to sell are videos and courses on how to make money selling videos and courses on how to make money selling .... etc. Everyone is churning out the same old stuff and then making their own versions to license to others to churn out the same old stuff. Bill Myers was one of the first and Andrew made his money selling his stuff and then his proteges do the same.
I am amazed that at an exponential rate this market hasn't saturated by now, but it seems there are always newbies coming out to buy into it, and the Internet lets face it is a gigantic market.
In essence you make money telling others that you make money by telling others.
And, as someone else in this thread says it does actually work if you put in your time and you are prepared to put your name to a lot of old tat.
I don't know about his new DVD project but it sounds like another reworking of finding a product and negotiating a license. Nice if you can find a product but I guess it takes more than an hour or two a day at home. Unless that is we recycle the product in his good old fashioned way.
Is it just me or am I the only one who dares call this MLM ?
Anyone want to buy my course on how I've thrown away a small fortune on get rich quick schemes?
Iggy
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Yes, you can! Because you are expressing an opinion to people who want to hear it, in teh same way as you would share it around a table with a drink in your hand. If you posted your allegations on a dedicated website, you'd possibly get sued. Not so here. So post away!
oops, sorry: i was responding to a message that asked if it was possible to post here about scams he knew about...seems my response was displaced, so it probably doesn;t make much sense here. Sorry.
oops, sorry: i was responding to a message that asked if it was possible to post here about scams he knew about...seems my response was displaced, so it probably doesn;t make much sense here. Sorry.
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Cash on Demand
I received a mailshot from Andrew today for Cash on demand and am surprised that to gain access to information on the system you need to provide bank details. Is there any update on this business venture
Peter said:
I received a mailshot from Andrew today for Cash on demand and am surprised that to gain access to information on the system you need to provide bank details. Is there any update on this business venture
I signed up for Andrews cash on demand system,
So far ive received 3 or 4 manuels, BUT Ive been a bit busy to really study it in detail as yet.
I get the impression hes more or less going to sell you his seminar type idea s of obtaining CDs, DVDs, Videos etc with licences and showing you how best to sell them.
Only breaks things down at a more slower pace to try and explain in more detail.
He mentioned to me He was considering offering some cheaper start up products.
I Sincerely Hope that he can do this as one can hopefully then test the waters without paying 4 to 6 K Upfront with his usual seminar idea.
He May however have just decided to go about selling his origional idea in a slower new formatt IF for eg his seminar ideas may have been oversold .
I Know Two of his students continue selling seminars.
I WOULD consider going ahead with one of these IF I can find two extra people to share costs.
Id consider say splitting a £6000 seminar idea between 4 of us.. I dont really want to have to pay over £2000 to try one of these ideas.
Other than what Ive said, the cash on demand system is a bit SLOW as it may take 6 to 12 months before you get the info you need.
At least with the seminar idea you can start straight away.
I believe theres another one with Tim Lowe this weekend.
I was considering it with another t2w member, BUT I wanted 1 to 2 others to help share costs IF it would have been possible to arrange.
Its a bit late NOW !
cheers Pete
So far ive received 3 or 4 manuels, BUT Ive been a bit busy to really study it in detail as yet.
I get the impression hes more or less going to sell you his seminar type idea s of obtaining CDs, DVDs, Videos etc with licences and showing you how best to sell them.
Only breaks things down at a more slower pace to try and explain in more detail.
He mentioned to me He was considering offering some cheaper start up products.
I Sincerely Hope that he can do this as one can hopefully then test the waters without paying 4 to 6 K Upfront with his usual seminar idea.
He May however have just decided to go about selling his origional idea in a slower new formatt IF for eg his seminar ideas may have been oversold .
I Know Two of his students continue selling seminars.
I WOULD consider going ahead with one of these IF I can find two extra people to share costs.
Id consider say splitting a £6000 seminar idea between 4 of us.. I dont really want to have to pay over £2000 to try one of these ideas.
Other than what Ive said, the cash on demand system is a bit SLOW as it may take 6 to 12 months before you get the info you need.
At least with the seminar idea you can start straight away.
I believe theres another one with Tim Lowe this weekend.
I was considering it with another t2w member, BUT I wanted 1 to 2 others to help share costs IF it would have been possible to arrange.
Its a bit late NOW !
cheers Pete
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