9/11 - The Third Tower

[trendie]

lol.

knew the was a reason i was strangely driven to leave out the h. (other than crap spelling of course)

you also left the H out of Jesus H Christ.
leaving Hs out, now thats spooky.

 

[JTrader]

Alex Jones Presents Infowars.com to Fight the New World Order --In Your Face: The Globalists' Language is Hidden in Plain View

 

[JTrader]

BTW CB et al, it would be useful if you could also post the links to your sources within your posts, as this makes the info verifiable, thus enhancing credibility.

 

[trendie]

You'll never think the same way again. . . The Revelation
EVENTS CONTINUING TO OCCUR BY THE NUMBERS -- SACRED OCCULT NUMBERS

"7. 7. The Architecture of the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center -- the Twin Towers formed an 11 as they stood before the attack"

Well, duh! Show me a skyscraper that doesnt resemble a big "1".
the New York skyline is 111111111111111111111.

sick joke: NY skyline after Sep-11 = 1111111111111..11
(not as sick as the skyline of Baghdad after invasion though, eh)

EDIT: oh crap! I am getting myself caught up in all this stuff. Must turn my machine OFF when trading done. its 5pm. after tea-time as well)

 

[fibonelli]

apol for slight diversion

article about 7/7/2005 and numerology

The Truth Seeker - Dark Secrets of the 7/7 Attacks

 

[Crap Buddist]

BTW CB et al, it would be useful if you could also post the links to your sources within your posts, as this makes the info verifiable, thus enhancing credibility.

Well, it is top secret.(pentagon) But the links show in the properties details..... on the images and stuff. Is that no good ?

But ok JT I'll include a handy clcik and go in future....

 

[rols]

BTW CB et al, it would be useful if you could also post the links to your sources within your posts, as this makes the info verifiable, thus enhancing credibility.

One really shouldn't believe everything on the internet. Sometimes it's actually not true!

BTW

Try JTrader in Wingdings = weird!!!

 

[trendie]

ok, I have calmed down.
this plethora of 11s is similar to the "how many people do you need in a room to ensure there is a 50/50 chance of two of them sharing a birthday" type thing.
or, the reason why 7 is the most likely outcome of throwing two dice.

for the first 100 numbers, there are 9 occurences of 11 multiples,11,22,33 etc.

then you have 29 and 92 (2 + 9=11).
then 38 and 83 (3 + 8=11)
tehn 47,74 and 56 and 65.

thats an extra 8.

so you have a potential 17 chances to get something that resembles or fits into an 11.
and thats only looking for 2 digit combos.

what you need to do is accumualte all RELEVANT data, and see what proportion contains 11 significances.

eg, its no good saying there were 11 crew on 1 flight and noting it, but then ignoring the fact there were 12 or 13 on another flight, and DELIBERATELY IGNORING it, cos it dont fit the "facts".
Context is important.

 

[Crap Buddist]

The lad who mows the lawns at my gaff sent me that mail with the wingdings (he ram raids pc access here from time to time) I'll sort the monkey out next time he's here, bless him.

 

[JTrader]

The lad who mows the lawns at my gaff sent me that mail with the wingdings (he ram raids pc access here from time to time) I'll sort the monkey out next time he's here, bless him.

Anyway, back to the serious topic/s under discussion???

 

[fibonelli]

apol for diversion

today's numerology

 

[dick_dastardly]

I wonder.....

If the US governments response was that terrorists had primed the buildings with explosives, secretly, over a long period of time, without being detected (ok, thats tautological with secretly), and then detonated the buildings...

I wonder how many conspiracy theorists would reject that as being too fanciful (cos it was the govt that said it) and find "evidence" that that was impossible to achieve?

I like your thinking there trendie

dd

 

[rols]

The Secret behind the number 11

Pretty Chilling - read to the bottom. Try it out.

If you are a sceptical person - still read on as it's actually very interesting!!

This is actually really freaky!! (Mainly the end part, but read it all first)


1) New York City has 11 letters
2) Afghanistan has 11 letters.
3) Ramsin Yuseb has 11 letters. (The terrorist who threatened to destroy the Twin Towers in 1993)
4) George W Bush has 11 letters.



This could be a mere coincidence, but this gets interesting:
1) New York is the 11th state.
2) The first plane crashing against the Twin Towers was flight number 11.
3) Flight 11 was carrying 92 passengers. 9 + 2 = 11
4) Flight 77 which also hit Twin Towers, was carrying 65 passengers. 6 + 5 = 11
5) The tragedy was on September 11, or 9/11 as it is now known. 9 + 1+ 1 =11
6) The date is equal to the US emergency services telephone number 911.


Sheer coincidence..?

Read on and make up your own mind:

1) The total number of victims inside all the hi-jacked planes was 254.

2 + 5 + 4 = 11

2) September 11 is day number 254 of the calendar year.

3) The Madrid bombing took place on 3/11/2004. 3 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 4 = 11.
4) The tragedy of Madrid happened 911 days after the Twin Towers incident.


Now this is where things get totally eerie:

The most recognized symbol for the US, after the Stars & Stripes, is the Eagle. The following verse is taken from the Koran, the Islamic holy book:


"For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced: for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah and there was peace."


That verse is number 9.11 of the Koran.


Unconvinced about all of this still ..?



Try this and see how you feel afterwards, it made my hair stand on end:



Open Microsoft Word and do the following:


1. Type in upper case Q33 NY. This is the flight number of the first plane to hit one of the Twin Towers.
2. Highlight the Q33 NY.
3. Change the font size to 48.
4. Change the actual font to the WINGDINGS……………………


What do you think now????

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This is all a hoax. I wondered why an American Airlines plane would have a Q in its flight number. Fanciful and in rather bad taste IMO....

The author of the below adds this at the end

Hoaxes that perpetrate falsehoods about real terrorist attacks are especially heinous. One wonders at the mentality, and motives, of the imbeciles who create hoaxes of this nature. This hoax message dishonours the memory of those who lost their lives in the 9/11 attacks. Please do not forward it.


Here is the full piece from Q33 NY Wingdings Hoax - Elevens and the Wrath of the Eagle



This absurd email forward combines three earlier hoaxes that have been circulating in one form or another for several years.

The message first draws attention to the high number of "elevens" that can be derived from names or elements pertaining to the September 2001 attacks on the United States. It then discusses a verse supposedly taken from the Quran that seems to predict The US involvement in Iraq. Finally, it claims that the flight number of one of the 9/11 planes shows a pictorial representation of the attack on the Twin Towers when converted to the "Wingdings" font in Microsoft Word. As discussed below, all three of these claims are unfounded.

The continued recurrence of the number eleven in relation to 9/11 may seem to have some weird relevance at first glance. However, it is easy to manipulate the details of an event so that an apparent numerical pattern emerges. There are many other 9/11 elements that have no relation to the number 11. For example, "World Trade Center", "Twin Towers", "Osama Bin Laden", "American Airlines," "United Airlines" and a great many other 9/11 related items do not add up to the number eleven. In fact, hundreds of items could be legitimately included on such a list, the majority of which have no "eleven" connection. In other words, the person who created this "elevens" list carefully chose only those 9/11 related items that fit the pattern and discarded all others.

Furthermore, the hoaxster is apparently quite willing to bend the truth to fit the story. Flight 77 was carrying 64 people not 65 as claimed in the email. The message also claims that Flight 77 hit the Twin Towers. However, Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon, not the World Trade Center.

In addition, the email states that the "total number of victims inside all the hi-jacked planes was 254". However, this is untrue. Various reliable sources concur that the total number of people on the hijacked planes was 265 (see Data Table below). If you subtract the 19 hijackers, the total number of victims on the planes (passengers and crew) was 246 not 254. Neither 265 nor 246 add up to eleven.

Thus, claims of some supernatural association between the terrorist attacks and the number 11 are blatantly contrived and highly misleading.

The second part of the message claims that Chapter 9 Verse 11 (9.11) of the Islamic holy book the Quran contains a startling prophecy presumably related to the US invasion of Iraq. However, research indicates that the quoted verse does not appear in the Quran at all. Chapter 9 Verse 11 of the Quran is concerned with repentance and charity. Abdullah Yusuf Ali's translation Of The Holy Qur'an, records Verse 11 as:
But (even so), if they repent, establish regular prayers, and practise regular charity,- they are your brethren in Faith: (thus) do We explain the Signs in detail, for those who understand.
Other translations may differ slightly in wording but carry essentially the same message. None make mention of the "wrath of the Eagle" or any other elements contained in the "verse" quoted in the message.

The Quran "verse" has also circulated as a separate message with the following description:
This is something to think about! Since America is typically represented by an eagle. Saddam should have read up on his Muslim passages...
The final part of this hoax email claims that changing "Q33 NY" to the Wingdings symbol font in Microsoft Word will reveal a hidden message directly related to the 9/11 attack on the twin towers. Q33 NY rendered in Wingdings is:

Certainly, this combination of symbols is likely to make even the most cynical readers do a double take when they first observe it. However, a minimal amount of research reveals that the Wingdings claim is based on an outrageous lie and therefore has no validity what so ever. None of the planes involved in the 9/11 attacks had the flight number "Q33 NY". The flight numbers of the planes that crashed into the Twin Towers were in fact "11" and "175". Clearly, someone has simply made up this supposed flight number in an attempt to make the spurious claim seem valid. In an absurd twist, the current version of the hoax actually contradicts itself. One part of the message states, "The first plane crashing against the Twin Towers was flight number 11." Later in the same message it states "Type in capitals Q33 NY. This is the flight number of the first plane to hit one of the Twin Towers."

Some have claimed that "Q33 NY" was actually the tail or registration number of one of the planes. However, this is also untrue. The actual tail number of Flight 11 was "N334AA". Nor did any of the other hijacked aircraft have the registration number "Q33 NY" (see Data Table below). Searches of the Federal Aviation Administration website afforded no results for "Q33 NY". In fact, most civil aircraft registrations in the United States start with the letter "N" and nationality and registration markings are commonly referred to as "N-Numbers".

Flight and tail numbers aside, the Star of David in the Wingdings "message" has little relevance to 9/11 since the attacks were not perpetrated by or directed at those of Jewish faith. This hoax actually builds on a foolish conspiracy theory involving Wingdings that goes back as far as 1992. Typing "NYC" ("New York City") in Wingdings reveals a skull and crossbones symbol, the Star of David, and a thumbs up symbol. This has been interpreted by some conspiracy-theorists as a deliberate anti-Semitic message. Microsoft has denied that this arrangement of symbols is anything more than an unfortunate coincidence.


9/ll Data Table
Airline and Flight Number Tail Number Total # People Onboard # Hijackers
American Airlines Flight 11 N334AA 92 5
United Airlines Flight 175 N612UA 65 5
American Airlines Flight 77 N644AA 64 5
United Airlines Flight 93 N591UA 44* 4
Total: 265 19

* Some reports put the number of people on Flight 93 at 45. According to Wikipedia, one passenger may have booked two seats, which caused some early confusion over the actual number of passengers.

 

[Crap Buddist]

yeah I agree rols. Its rubbish, but I didnt allocate time to verify that nonsense. I forwarded it into the pot its one of those silly email things, hence i called it "silly mail"

By the looks of your research, looks like its a popular email thats done the rounds.. wonder who thinks these things up.....

 

[JTrader]

Side issue

Trendie, Rols, splitlink and other fence sitters. Your input into this debate is most welcome, but as yet, it seems you have yet to express any kind of opinion one way or the other.

If i can ask one question, to you as apparent neutrals. Based on the evidence that has been posted so far in support of the "911 Truth Movement" and which you have hopefully read, has your opinion been swayed one way or the other? i.e. Do you believe 911 was an inside job?
Forgive me if this sounds blunt, but your input has been plentiful, but yet it seems you have yet to express your opinion.
If you are not firmly in favour of one particualr side of the dabate, Which side do you lean towards?

It's just interesting to see what impact this evidence/material has on the neutral freshie/newcomer...

Thanks.

 

[JTrader]

I think a lot of the coincidences surrounding the satanic numbers in relation to 911 are just that - coincidences. Furthermore, by trying to forward these as valid arguments to be included in the 911 debate may weaken the stregth of the 911 Truth Movement.

However, certain facts like, 11 being the sign of the coming of the anti-christ, 911 days between 911 and Madrid, exactly 11 years to the day since George H.W. Bush made that famous speech saying "we need a new world order" War On Americans? | 'Toward a New World Order' A transcript of the speech by George Herbert Walker Bush September 11, 1990, The State of New York was the 11th State added to the Union, Manhattan Island was discovered on Sept. 11, 1609 by Henry Hudson. These are all things that wouldn't surprise me if they were not deliberately planned in minute details, by the satanistic illuminati that run the government/s. A lot of the others just seem to be irrelevent/incidental etc.

 

[rols]

Trendie, Rols, splitlink and other fence sitters. Your input into this debate is most welcome, but as yet, it seems you have yet to express any kind of opinion one way or the other.

If i can ask one question, to you as apparent neutrals. Based on the evidence that has been posted so far in support of the "911 Truth Movement" and which you have hopefully read, has your opinion been swayed one way or the other? i.e. Do you believe 911 was an inside job?
Forgive me if this sounds blunt, but your input has been plentiful, but yet it seems you have yet to express your opinion . Perhaps you don't have an opinion.

Thanks.

As they say opinions are like a'holes - everybody has one.

What's important are facts and evidence All I've seen so far to support the conspiracy lobby are a collection of fanciful and flimsy claims.

This goes back to the imperial hubris I mentioned earlier - basically there are many still in denial that their great country was the victim of a terrorist attack.

 

[Crap Buddist]

mmm, well some have done some research JT. So it all helps, challenging points, casting doubts on posts and info. This is how the well oiled machine functions , should function. And it so happens its human nature ? or not...

 

[JTrader]

ADB,

you've gone awfully quiet mate.

 

[rols]

all things that wouldn't surprise me if they were not deliberately planned in minute details, by the satanistic illuminati that run the government/

Are you seriously suggesting the world's super-power is run by "satanists."

What worries me is that you would rather believe the improbable than the plausible. A sad reflection of a young person's view of the world and his place in it.

This science fiction is one step away from David Icke and his theory that the world is run by alien lizards who harvest human beings for food.