9/11 - The Third Tower

WtC 7 was pushed.... yes, no i meant pulled. thats it, but it didnt just fall over did it ?
 
well the physics bods and the guy who worked for the steel company say the steel will not melt unless it has about 2800 degress of heat ..

And the oil fires buring dont burn at that temp.... so what caused the heat to melt the steel ......
 
Crap Buddist said:
Ive provided video testimony of a demo expert stating it is the work of experts, he has no doubt in that. If that demolition guy is lying for a fat pay check, good for him.......

Case open, becasue of the way the building falls, implodes, and the pyroclastic flows and the demolition guys testimony ohh and the safety officers tesimony of numerous explosions, ohh and the physics that the steel was certified to 2000 + degrees without failing, and no diesel fire burns hot enough to melt steel.

Unless the physics guys have got it wrong ?
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Physics911, by Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-Eleven, 9/11/2001
 
That steel building had normal fires burning in it..... none of that would/should melt the steel, it was certified by the makers. It has to be, otherwise normal fires might bring down all the other steel buildings in the US ? Yes thats it.
 
thats good JT and why didnt the pentagon have a total collapse ? Wait a minute, is it about to fall to the ground, and thats weaker concrete construction too....... theres still time, after all it could fall at any time.... oh it only had a partial collapse.... bahhh
 
Seriously guys, what's the difference (in terms of proof) between your reasons for promulgating this rubbish and this "theory" . . .

you remember in the new recently about the UFO's seen by a police helicopter? So, we're supposed to believe that a police surveilance helicopter with all the camera's etc on it failed to get a picture of what they saw? someone has clearly supressed this info! all I want is for the truth to come out!

I see no difference between that "theory" and yours.
 
rols said:
Yes exactly.

Your misspelling of 'sincerely' was a classic Freudian slip.



I can do Wikipedia too....


Delusional disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Me too.

Frustration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Frustration is an emotion that occurs in situations where one is blocked from reaching a personal goal. The more important the goal, the greater the frustration. It is comparable to anger and disappointment.

Sources of frustration may be internal or external. Internal sources of frustration involve personal deficiencies such as a lack of confidence or fear of social situations that prevent one from reaching a goal. Conflict can also be an internal source of frustration when one has competing goals that interfere with one another. External causes of frustration involve conditions outside the person such as a blocked road, lack of money, or lack of sexual activity.

In terms of psychology, passive-aggressive behavior is a method of dealing with frustration.
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I wouldn't call liking oneself, and ones own circumstances, delusional behaviour.

No, delusional behaviour is more like eg. A trader who persists with trading but has never banked any profits. Or, much worse, a trader who continues trading, but continues to lose money by blowing accounts and has yet to bank any profits. Or is this more a case of "denial"??
Denial - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Denial (also called abnegation) is a defense mechanism' postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence. [1] The subject may deny the reality of the unpleasant fact altogether (simple denial), admit the fact but deny its seriousness (minimisation) or admit both the fact and seriousness but deny responsibility (transference). The concept of denial is particularly important to the study of addiction. The theory of denial was first researched seriously by Anna Freud. She classified denial as a mechanism of the immature mind, because it conflicts with the ability to learn from and cope with reality. Where denial occurs in mature minds, it is most often associated with death, dying and rape. More recent research has significantly expanded the scope and utility of the concept. Elisabeth Kübler-Ross used denial as the first of five stages in the psychology of a dying patient, and the idea has been extended to include the reactions of survivors to news of a death. Thus, when parents are informed of the death of a child, their first reaction is often of the form, "No! You must have the wrong house, you can't mean our child!"
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A Dashing Blade said:
Seriously guys, what's the difference (in terms of proof) between your reasons for promulgating this rubbish and this "theory" . . .

you remember in the new recently about the UFO's seen by a police helicopter? So, we're supposed to believe that a police surveilance helicopter with all the camera's etc on it failed to get a picture of what they saw? someone has clearly supressed this info! all I want is for the truth to come out!

I see no difference between that "theory" and yours.
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I know what you mean. Both sides have theories, Which is correct?
Both sides try and debunk each other, and provide counter debunk etc. etc. In the end, a lot of the smaller details such as melting temperature for example, could be made up and i wouldn't know the difference....

I just form opinions on hard facts like - Pentagon say no other video footage exists other than the 5 frames that they were forced to release that ultimately show us nothing, despite the fact that the pentagon is surrounded by surveillance cameras. I mean come on...

Also, the free fall speed collapses, with no resistance. Common sense says that if fire casued the steel framed building to collapse (becoming the first steel framed buildings in history to collapse due to fire), the collapse would surely be gradual, a small section at a time, over minutes/hours, days etc. not FREE-FALL speed!

Flight 93 left a tiny crater and more or less no wreckage whatso-ever.

The pentagon crash plane was completely vaporised upon impact, yet photos, of undamaged monitors, books, and stools on the edge of the hole, in the offices exist.

Even for the most staunch lovers of government, surely these facts, AND YES THESE ARE FACTS, should raise an eyebrow of suspiscion ever so slightly?
 
Here we are JT
A new friend for you.
He believes in satanic plots, illuminati and lizards stalking the Earth.
David Icke Website - The Satanic Cult That Rules the World

David Icke Website - Reptilian Agenda

Ah but according to David Icke the Illuminati are controlled by witches!!!

'Halloween is an appropriate time to learn that a "Grand Druid Council" of 13 "Witches" control the Illuminati, and meets eight times annually on the "Witches' Sabbaths" (incl. Halloween) when millions of occult practitioners engage in orgies, which sometimes involve human sacrifice.


oh and BTW George Bush is a Reptile
David Icke Website - They Live - We Are Not Alone
 
A Dashing Blade said:
Seriously guys, what's the difference (in terms of proof) between your reasons for promulgating this rubbish and this "theory" . . .

you remember in the new recently about the UFO's seen by a police helicopter? So, we're supposed to believe that a police surveilance helicopter with all the camera's etc on it failed to get a picture of what they saw? someone has clearly supressed this info! all I want is for the truth to come out!

I see no difference between that "theory" and yours.
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Well at the WTC 7 HOLE there was steel that was vaporized and to do that needs 2800 degrees of heat apparently.

those normal fires buring insideare not hot enough to vapourize the steel ... so what did ?
 
rols said:
Here we are JT
A new friend for you.
He believes in satanic plots, illuminati and lizards stalking the Earth.
David Icke Website - The Satanic Cult That Rules the World

David Icke Website - Reptilian Agenda

Ah but according to David Icke the Illuminati are controlled by witches!!!

'Halloween is an appropriate time to learn that a "Grand Druid Council" of 13 "Witches" control the Illuminati, and meets eight times annually on the "Witches' Sabbaths" (incl. Halloween) when millions of occult practitioners engage in orgies, which sometimes involve human sacrifice.


oh and BTW George Bush is a Reptile
David Icke Website - They Live - We Are Not Alone
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Yes, perhaps he got a bit lost with all his reptillion stuff.
Still, he seems an interesting and rational bloke, much like alex jones. Here's AJ's recent (20/6/8) interview of David Icke. Interesting stuff. YouTube - David Icke Interview with Alex Jones Part 1/8
 
crikey whats scarier than ike is that oreily bloke "interviewing" his guests , lol there was a clip and the interview lasted 6 odd minutes 30 seconds and oreily was ranting and calling his guest a nutcake etc.... for 5 minutes 19 seconds........ lol

this was to do with 911..... but control the media control the culture........ is his first name bill ?
 
its a genuine tactic these days lets be honest, make some fun, kick up some dust, little bit of disinformation and bad a bing...... pick the bones out of that lot. But that carry on only makes the game more interesting..... who knows what the truth is, who cares ,its all about results these days isn't it ?
 
JTrader said:
Yes, perhaps he got a bit lost with all his reptillion stuff.
Still, he seems an interesting and rational bloke, much like alex jones. Here's AJ's recent (20/6/8) interview of David Icke. Interesting stuff. YouTube - David Icke Interview with Alex Jones Part 1/8
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Actually, that was an old interview, this is the recent one (3/7/8). Very interesting stuff, particularly about leftbrain v's right brain education/training and how this creates educated idiots or educated insects, with their tiny area of specialisation who fit neatly into the new world order/illuminati compartmentalised pryamid power structure. Interesting theories..........
YouTube - David Icke on the Alex Jones Show:illuminati Bloodlines pt1
 
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He looks quite handsome on that image JT, has he been eating them lizards ? :)


What about role reversals, all those who think it was terrorists outside the US now swap and those conspiracy nutcases now become the patriots.... maybe that will throw up new information ?
 
Crap Buddist said:
He looks quite handsome on that image JT, has he been eating them lizards ? :)


What about role reversals, all those who think it was terrorists outside the US now swap and those conspiracy nutcases now become the patriots.... maybe that will throw up new information ?
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Well, each to their own i say.

911 Truthers see themselves as the patriots.
 
Crap Buddist said:
He looks quite handsome on that image JT, has he been eating them lizards ? :)

?
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Er I think that's the wrong way round...

The Lizard Men are vicious people who live in Kira, the Cave World of Mongo.
 

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