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Why Trade?

This article is essentially for anyone starting out in the markets, but the question of why one is trading is relevant at all times.
The question as to what motivates the individual to start trading or continue trading is very important because many reasons are poor reasons and the so-called "motivators" can contain hidden traps.
Often people trade for a number of reasons, not just the obvious one of wanting to make money, and frequently these other reasons are at a sub-conscious level, and would not normally be disclosed if someone asked the question "Why do you trade?"
Below is a list of motivators. This is designed to be fairly comprehensive and typically three or four from the list will apply to each individual. Clearly not all the motivators will apply to each trader.
The list will briefly describe the motivator and then go on to explain the trap associated with it. It will be seen that nearly all the motivators could be regarded as bad reasons for trading, and that if trading for that reason, failure is likely. By extension, it also means that many people are unsuitable for trading simply because they want to do it for all the wrong reasons. There is a degree of overlap with some of the motivators, but they each contain one important criteria which makes them different from the rest.
A) The desire to make money
The first, and most obvious motivator. It is one of two primary motivators together with C) below.  The desire to make money could be broken down into many sub-headings, e.g. wanting to achieve growth, income,
hedging inflation etc. but ultimately anyone who comes to the market is looking to gain financially in one way or another.
This means that
traders and investors can have tremendous difficulty in accepting and taking losses due to the conflict with the motivator. The refusal to accept and take losses quickly while they are small is probably the biggest contributing factor in the failure of most traders.

B) The desire to make easy money
Not the same as above. This is in fact the motivator that attracts many newcomers because the markets look a lot easier than they are, plus there are many people with a vested interest in saying that anyone can learn how to do it. Given a choice between easy money and money you have to work hard for, it’s obvious which path most people would choose. Once it becomes clear (fairly quickly) that the novice can’t extract easy money from the market, he or she will just give up. Some, however, will reassess things. The typical line of thinking goes: "OK, it’s not as easy as that, but if I work hard at it, read books, attend courses, use resources such as T2W, I think I can eventually succeed."
Now an important shift occurs. Their motivator is no longer B) but changes to A). The difference is attitude: one is realistic, the other isn’t.
C) To prove we’re right/smart
The second primary motivator. The need to be right is a major reason why people can’t take a small loss when they have the chance. They see a loss, no matter how small, as an admission that they got it wrong, thereby conflicting with the motivator. This, coupled with the desire to make money, can be a lethal combination for the unwary. Most people place their ego on the line when they place a trade, so a loss is a blow to their self-esteem – it hurts not just financially. In order to avoid this humiliation, the loss isn’t taken, which simply invites the market to hand them an even bigger one.
D) The excitement, entertainment and action of the markets
Anyone who enters the markets for these reasons is almost certain to fail. This type of motivator means that constant participation is necessary in order to get the "buzz" and stimulation. Trades will often be placed just for the sake of having a position and something to do, which leads to impulsive trading, which is nearly always poor. Boredom drives many trades. Patience – a key requisite for the best set-ups – goes out of the window and the trader who craves action sacrifices an essential discipline. Since the markets are essentially a game with no end point, constant participation is perfectly possible, and this leads to high levels of stress which undermine performance and shorten the trading lifespan.
E) To gain a sense of independence and control
For many people, their income is controlled by their employer, although they can increase this through bonuses or promotion. The markets, however, appear to offer the chance to completely control one’s income – a very attractive proposition. Independence of course does not simply mean financial independence – being able to work one’s own hours and having no boss will be equally important for many.
Unfortunately, especially for the novice, money can not be extracted consistently from the market just like that. Indeed following a series of losses, the trader who has given up a regular (and regulated) income in order to trade, will start to think that it wasn’t such a bad deal after all. The motivator of independence assumes success, which of course can not be guaranteed.

F) The thrill of winning
This is not the same as A) The desire to make money. The thrill of winning is a psychological pay-off rather than a material benefit. It is interesting that the thrill of the occasional win is enough to keep most people playing a losing game, whether it is in the markets or elsewhere, e.g. the national lottery.
Most option traders lose overall, yet most will be able to show you some enormous percentage gainers. Such wins feel great, and repeating such a feat would be highly desireable. People who play fruit machines for hours tend to lose – and they know it – so why keep playing? Because every now and then the machine pays out a large win, and for that moment they are "a big winner" even if overall they’re down.
G) As a means of gambling
Some people see the markets as just another form of gambling, which they can be if you don’t know what you’re doing or even if you do but take very high risks. But low
risk, long term investing is far from gambling – most people will pay off a mortgage or receive retirement income using the markets in this way.
So it depends on your approach. But if the market is used for gambling, then this is a poor reason for trading as the negative edge will eventually have the same effect as the house edge when playing roulette.
H) Everyone else is
Some of the greatest crashes in history have occurred because people traded or invested for this reason. It may feel comforting and reassuring to do what the vast majority are doing, but in the markets a contrary approach would probably be better in such circumstances.
I) Status
Some overlap with C) here.  You are at a party and someone asks you what you do. You tell them you are "a trader". If you are simply answering the question, fine, but if you really want everyone to know that you are a trader then perhaps your ego is playing a significant part. Watch out for thinking along the lines of  "I’m smart enough to be a trader and you’re not."
J) You have to
Applies to
fund managers only because it’s their job. No-one else has to trade, which gives private investors a huge tactical advantage which is frequently thrown away, partly because of D)  If you don’t have to trade, you can wait for ideal conditions or set-ups before you do trade, which tips the odds in your favour.
K) As a hobby/interest
The markets can provide a stimulating, challenging and potentially profitable activity. As such, it’s hard to beat as an interest – there’s always something to look at. This motivator doesn’t come with any hidden agenda or trap, but care needs to be taken to ensure it doesn’t wander or start to overlap with the others above.
So, a fairly comprehensive list of why people play the markets. Traders and
investors need to understand how seemingly valid reasons or motivators can provide potential traps, and once this is done their impact will be considerably reduced.

Robert Newgrosh is Managing Director of New Skills, a specialist training company providing innovative, quality training for private and professional investors. He has twenty years market experience and has managed New Skills since 1993. He is the UK's most experienced writer and presenter of stockmarket courses, and holds a Distinction from the Society of Technical Analysts. Against competition from twenty other companies, New Skills was voted the UK's Best Investor Training Company by Shares Magazine.

Robert Newgrosh is Managing Director of New Skills, a specialist training company providing innovative, quality training for private and professional ...


Veteren member
Robert, I am giving you ten points for this.

Everything you outline is perfectly correct. Sadly the great majority will feel offended, you will see. This is because they view all of this unjustifiably, not as priceless advice and wisdom, but as some sort of personal affront.

Perhaps the key phrase is contained in your last paragraph.

"of why people play the markets"

The great majority do not accept the reality of the mercilessness of market outcomes. They also believe all of it is a game, that anyone can play, just like that, and what is worse they view themselves as being right as a consequence of a lifetieme of experience in being able to fudge things.

They are not accustomed to this.

This is an unfamilar situation rather like a verdict being delivered before even the trial is heard and then, there is no appeal.

This is a huge shock to them.

I am slowly hardening to the idea that traders are born, and not made.

This is because the individual has to be possessed of the right character for this. It is a faculty that is disregarded and frequently not self discovered until well into the excercise.
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Legendary member
The road to riches ?

Top drawer.
One has only to read the greedy snorts in the posts of those seeking the holy grail of trading ,as the route to easy riches in the market, to see the truths in the "why trade?" posting. However, despite numerous posts telling them that trading is hard work we continue to see the greedy, stupid or ignorant flocking, like moths, around the snake oil merchants and purveyors of courses promising riches without effort from the markets. Hopefully, posters on T2W have prevented many new traders from becoming fodder for the hucksters and charlatans that continue to hide behind bogus queries etc in an attempt to appear genuine. But when you read the posts from some of these "potential" victims, and sense their stupidity intensified by their search for easy pickings, one has to resist the temptation to bang ones' head on the ******* wall ;)
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I rarely feel motivated to comment on articles. This one is well worthy of comment and I can only echo those sentiments above.



Veteren member
Mayfly said:
Good, solid stuff!

Let's hope that everyone takes time out to read this! :)




Well-known member
Only 10 points!! Rather mean I thought, I'd give it at least 90 points (out of 100).

My main motivation was Freedom. Now I'm tied to the markets with handcuffs!!!


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Rognvald said:
I am surprised to find such honest and valuable information freely available.
Yes, but I guarantee that the great majority will not recognise it for what it really is, and again mistake jewels for pebbles with no more regard for all of this than complete philistines visiting an art gallery.

This is because these ideas are more than words.

Words are easy, to write, to read, to say.

It is the ideas and concepts for which words have to be found in order to be able to describe them with some form of distanced accuracy, it is these that the great majority fail to embrace and to ultimately enact.

And even if the ideas and concepts are accepted on a prima facie basis, the great majority find them excruciatingly difficult to enact, and that, is the problem.

For this reason I am no longer willing to teach or mentor.

Again I say that I am becoming more and more convinced that real traders are born, not made, the more I see on these boards and the more I hear and are told, the firmer my conviction.

For these reasons, amongst others, many pretend to aspire, but in reality very few allow themselves to ultimately succeed.


Veteren member
Id describe myself as an A & E man now. :)

But when i started out i was definately a B C D E F I kinda guy :eek:

hey up Rog
check out my profile.. id did it just for u ;) peace brother :)


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darktone said:
Id describe myself as an A & E man now. :)

But when i started out i was definately a B C D E F I kinda guy :eek:

hey up Rog
check out my profile.. id did it just for u ;) peace brother :)
A & E ? You haven't joined the ambulance service surely ?


Experienced member
Why Trade? These two words or eight letters can more or less sum it all up. Brilliant! An individual will define thier whole trading experience through this very short question. Only the few will ever appreciate the question for what it really is. These are the naturals, the 'gifted for trading' few. They rarely ask or rely on others, and they are prepared to do 'thier' 'own' homework. The few 'have a right', the majority try to 'deserve'. Why Trade?
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I started trading because a very famous trader/teacher made it sound too easy. I paid quite a lot of moiney for that information and a short video. To be fair it got me started! Now I know its difficult and costly. I am pleased I am almost half way through this article's author's course and find it as good as promoted. The first free lesson is well worth taking.

I believe in multiple streams of income. A lot of gurus in any field advise concentration on one source of income usuall;y to benefit them. But review most wealthy self made types and many have property, share investments, internet and some type of business running (usually information products).

I hope to concentrate enough on the technical analysis to make it work, but by having other income at least I can fund my losses.


Veteren member
A & E ? You haven't joined the ambulance service surely ?


In all seriousness though. Its a real eye opener to see how my outlook has changed from day dot to now.


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darktone said:
Id describe myself as an A & E man now. :)

But when i started out i was definately a B C D E F I kinda guy :eek:

hey up Rog
check out my profile.. id did it just for u ;) peace brother :)
pax vobiscum


Legendary member
incredible article.
no waffle. just the very essence of the mind-set of trading.
I cringed when I saw him describe my early mindset.
And heartened to know I am evolving as a trader.

Has Mr Newgrosh explained in 2 pages what Mark Douglas tries to do in 2 whole books ?!