BNP the BBC and the UK!!! What is going on here???

[HawkTrader]

If I would interested in this bull**** I would have explained it to you like that:
The fact he is on tv is already meaningful - someone has a huge interest in that.
Secondly the way the program is structured will is eaither on purpose or will backfire if not as even you feel pity and sympathy, what will be the response from people supporting him?
Neither way I care. C***ts

I just want to say I'm not racist, and I said in my other post I largely disagree with the BNP. In my view, we are all humans and are all equal.

I think the funny thing to think about though is this, we have been fighting in a holy and illegal war against Muslims for many years now (Iraq and Afghanistan) yet the BNP want our troops out. I wonder which is more racist, bombing innocent Muslim civilians in many cases, or deporting illegal citizens of the UK some of whom are not white?

People are really mixed up as to what racism is.

If you want to see true fascism, see this documentary:

Taking Liberties (Since 1997)

It goes much deeper than race.

 

[counter_violent]

I was not in the slightest bit interested in what griff had to say ....what was telling was just how out of touch Straw is as far as peoples real concerns go( he visibly shrunk in his seat as the programme went on) ...As for the rest on the panel....they were listening and they know that the country is crying out for clear direction. Labour, new labour, loony left, wooly liberals. The game is up for all of them.

On this basis I confidently predict a landslide conservative govt will be elected in May 2010. Despite the electorates cross party annoyance over the expenses issue.

The M P's not already dealt with and gone will be followed by a mass clear out of all the usual suspects sometime after the elections.

 

[dcraig1]

I think the funny thing to think about though is this, we have been fighting in a holy and illegal war against Muslims for many years now (Iraq and Afghanistan) yet the BNP want our troops out.

I believe that is what is known as opportunism.

 

[HawkTrader]

I believe that is what is known as opportunism.

Yeah, but he never said that directly, just something I'm pointing out.

 

[Atilla]

ethnic popollation????

and how do you know what they ( whoever they are? ) do, or do not do that the foreigners do?

Debates such as these often lead to the infantile use of words like racist, racism, fascist or Nazi.

Having said that, don't you think you may be on thin ice here Atilla with remarks like the one above?

dd

I recognise I am generalising but I am not racist or a fascist. I am not deaf or blind either and can see what is going on around me.

Summer fruit picking in Britain

Check it out... Not dirty but very hard piece of work.

I find it amazing that we employ migrant labour to pick fruits and farm produce. Why don't our young do this kind of work but travellers and foreigners do???

Farmers are having to upgrade their accommodation and offer full board facilities because they can't get migrants to work for rates offered. Migrants have trouble making any money once they pay their rent and subsistance costs.

I have worked over 25 years in the City and I would be struggling to count on my two hands the number of full ethnic English speaking cleaners in any of the big institutions I have worked in. Perhaps management or head lady may be ethnci but not the cleaners.

I doubt these farmers or cleaning agencies are against hiring white ethnic personnel. What other explanation is there?

How about the Chinese cocklers -drowned after being caught by rising tides in Liverpool working in desperate measures to survive in Britain. Why don't the local lads do this kind of work???


No matter what we think, all over the country there are bodies who are long term unemployed - uneducated and social misfits - who are now saying this is why I am unemployed because they have my work and if they weren't in that council flat I'd be in there.


What they don't also tell you is that migrant labour is government policy for keeping wage inflation low.

Look at our government - they find trillions for supporting bankers and can not find any money for maintaining our post offices that provide essential services for rural areas as well as an excellent service. TNT & DHL and UPS will take the most profitable business and leave the unprofitable deliveries to PO.

Post office workers wake up at crack of dawn, carry shed loads in all seasons - hot or cold and get paid peanuts.

Mandelson lays in to the weak and vulnerable. Says FA about continuing banker bonuses. In fact the media make it out as if it is almost essential for us to allow this so they can spend their bonuses to get the economy going again buying **** porshe and ferraris or inflating Chelsea property prices. There is no nationalism or patriotism to do the right thing. Only to beat the little guy who gets chicken fee.

The whole country is up ****t creak without a paddle. Last thing we need is to fight the National Front again on some tarted up BNP crap with their ethnicity debate.


BNP is after power, glory and money nothing else. It is purely detrimental to the national interest of the UK.

 

[dcraig1]

My god, I saw some extracts of Question Time ahead of transmission on the BBC website...

I'm sorry, but it's completely unfair. Let me just say I don't agree with the BNP on 95% of things (except their stuff about our military) but that programme was completely unfair on him. WHY did they not allow any BNP members into the QT audience? WHY only BNP haters? If the BNP and Nick Griffin are facists, let it be seen, there is nothing to hide, right?

There is nothing more FACIST than not allowing free speech, and when you do allow it, mocking it and not letting the speaker finish. Bullsh!t.

Oh boo hoo. Cry me a river.

Not only should the BBC provide a free platform for these scumbags. It should provide an obliging audience as well?

Make no mistake, the BNP got just what it wanted out of all this - free national publicity. No matter now much scorn was heaped on it, there was only on winner and that was the BNP. The BBC must have rocks in their head.

"Bookmaker William Hill has cut its odds on the BNP winning one or more seats at the election from 10/1 to 7/2 in response to bets placed following from the news that Griffin was to appear on Question Time."

Nick Griffin arrives for BBC debate despite mass protest outside TV centre | Politics | The Guardian

 

[arabianights]

The BNP were huge losers... you just had to see what a tard he looked

 

[dcraig1]

The BNP were huge losers... you just had to see what a tard he looked

It doesn't matter - do you think the kind of person that is likely to join the BNP is going to take the slightest bit of notice?

Politics is not just a debating game.

 

[arabianights]

equally that kind of person isn't going to give a crap if they were on question time or not

people who would join the BNP are not the problem as there are about 3 of them. It's the people who vote for them without knowing what they stand for.

 

[Atilla]

Interesting viewing of what is coming round the corner...

this is england film - Google Images

BBC iPlayer - Panorama: Undercover - Hate on the Doorstep


No go areas, fear and riots - unless this madness is stopped before it develops any further...

 

[dcraig1]

people who would join the BNP are not the problem as there are about 3 of them. It's the people who vote for them without knowing what they stand for.

Regrettably I'm sure that there is lot more than three. I find it hard to believe that there is not 1% if the British population that is sympathetic to the BNP. If just 10% of those became members, there would be a very nasty little problem in the making. If the BNP never won a seat in the Commons, it would still be a very nasty little problem.

In the event of some sort of economic meltdown with huge unemployment, it could become a very nasty big problem.

 

[Mr. Charts]

Apparently more than a million people voted for them. My guess is they were disillusioned Labour voters, so maybe 40%-50% would still vote for the nazis in a General Election, the rest going "home" to Labour or more likely abstaining. There is still a lot of anti-government feeling around and even more anti-politician anger over their milking of the system. Not to mention unemployment and immigration.
Again maybe 50% of soft core supporting voters are unlikely to be swayed by QT, as they would think "oh, it's London and there were a lot of brown faces in the audience so the left-liberal BBC must have packed the audience with locals to gang up on him."
He might have had a justifiably rough ride, but Hitler started off in an environment of disillusionment and anger - and was also ridiculed.
It really is too early to say whether this turns out to be the end or a new beginning for the nazi scum.
Richard

 

[SSINGH]

Dick Griffin....who in their right mind could picture this noob as PM???

 

[HawkTrader]

Oh boo hoo. Cry me a river.

Not only should the BBC provide a free platform for these scumbags. It should provide an obliging audience as well?

Make no mistake, the BNP got just what it wanted out of all this - free national publicity. No matter now much scorn was heaped on it, there was only on winner and that was the BNP. The BBC must have rocks in their head.

"Bookmaker William Hill has cut its odds on the BNP winning one or more seats at the election from 10/1 to 7/2 in response to bets placed following from the news that Griffin was to appear on Question Time."

Nick Griffin arrives for BBC debate despite mass protest outside TV centre | Politics | The Guardian

I don't see the problem. Nick Griffin and the BNP are clearly racist, so why the fuss about showing it on TV? Let him sprout his rubbish, let people ridicule him if they want, but why bother with the "Ohhhhh, should we have let him on TV? Shouldn't we? Was it wrong?"

At the end of Question Time when they debated about the article on the famous homosexual's death, they all pretty much agreed along the same lines "It's great we have freedom of speech to write what you wish, but we weren't particually happy about what was said". Same with the BNP. I'm sure we can all agree, the BNP are racist, the current goverment is facist and the other's are nazi's. :smart:

There is nothing to hide fellow politicians, let your verbal diarrhea spew. :innocent:

 

[Gumping]

Interesting discussion. The point for me is, how can we discuss racism without being called racist?

Here's a situation I find myself in currently:

The best school in my catchment area contains around 80% Bangladeshi pupils, 15+% afro-caribbean and only a tiny minority of white children. Owing to 'social inclusion policies' it is basically impossible to get into the school unless your child is an ethnic minority. Being white British, we do not fit the bill. However, there is another alternative: the school is a church school, and hence you can also attend the local CofE church, which I then tried.
The first service I turned up to contained a thinly veiled rant against homosexuals, secularism, atheists in government, evolution theory and anything involving capitalism with specific reference to rich people. (Despite the fact that the vicar's children go to a private school that costs upwards of £50K per year - go figure!!). The entire sermon was using lines from the book of Amos to infer that anybody who doesn't denounce homosexuality will be brought low by the wrath of God etc. This is not exactly a healthy environment for my daughter.

The point is if I wish to discuss this issue (school entry/'social inclusion') in any way, I will probably end up being accused of racism. Why should my daughter suffer for a piece of politcial correctness gone mad? The system is apprently driving me towards either one group of fascist nutters (BNP) or another (CofE).


I don't give a sh*t about immigration and jobs: anybody who wants to work is welcome, but this sort of stuff turns my stomach.

Also my wife works for the NHS. She found a document in the HR depository of the library in the King's Fund that goes on about how they wish to recruit more people from ethnic minorities into the NHS graduate programs. She's the only white person in the whole South East who got on the program in her year. And even then, my wife is not white British. She is Macedonian.

And as mentioned elsewhere in this very thread, her home country has been overrun by Albanian immigrants. Her father ran a trucking firm that was very successful, but since an Albanian became minister for transport, her father has not been issued with en export license and now has to apply for a license for every individual run he does out of the country. The same Albanian minister has immunity from the Hague despite once being number 3 on the most wanted list for war crimes. He ran a terrorist group that set up a checkpoint on a Macedonian highway that stopped and searched all drivers. The Macedonian drivers were robbed and then had the skin cut off of their backs and were made to walk miles to the nearest town. The authorities sent the military out to stop this, and then the UN came in, formed a perimeter, put the Albanians onto buses and took them all to safety, then ordered the Macedonian govt to sign an accord granting all of the Albanian terrorists immunity and citizenship, and incorporating them into government. Since then, an EU-backed bill has passed through parliament, allowing greater local autonomy to certain regions, which has allowed any region with a significant Albanian presence to pass any laws they choose, converting the official language to Albanian, lowering taxes for Albanians and granting them more access to government funds and municipal jobs. This is all EU-backed, and was a condition of them being allowed to enter into accession talks.
Similar things went on in Kosovo - and Milosevic ended up expelling anybody without a Serbian passport. He came to power on the ticket that he would protect Kosovan Serbs from the Albanian minority which were mostly illegal immigrants btw and not an indigenous group. They were moving into areas and literally driving the Serbs out. The same is true in Macedonia: Macedonians cannot go through Albanian areas: it is not safe enough. But Albanians can go through Macedonian areas, which are heavily policed by Albanian Police officers who don't even speak Macedonian. They can arrest you speaking entirely Albanian and if you cannot understand what they are saying, it is your problem. To arrest an Albanian, you have to do it all in Albanian or the arrest warrant is invalid.
My wife left Macedonia because she was fed up with being persecuted, and appears to be no better off here.

Racism seems to be classified as something that majorities do to minorities. Anything that favours ethnic minorities and discriminates against the majority tends to be referred to as some form of social justice. So my question is this: Am I racist for wanting to discuss this? Or should this not be talked about and swept under the carpet and allow resentment to brew, ending up with a BNP government? How is it to be discussed? White people cannot talk about racism without being accused of being racist....so how can it be discussed? Minorities are allowed to behave in socially exclusive ways, but the majority is not, and the loonie left facilitates it all because they do not want to be seen to be racist.

 

[Trader333]

I find it amazing that we employ migrant labour to pick fruits and farm produce. Why don't our young do this kind of work but travellers and foreigners do???

One reason is to do with Gangmasters who are often paying well below minimum wage rates and will not employ anything other than migrant cheap labour. This is why you are now seeing new positions being created to monitor and "attempt" enforcement of UK employment law on them as there is a huge number of these Gangmasters about.


Paul

 

[spreader_legger]

On the ball.

This is one of those issues like abortion in which the debate ( meaning allow the nazi filth a platform - NOT their revolting views) ) has merit on both sides.
Le Pen's nazis grew out of the oxygen of publicity in the French media in the 80s and the danger is the same will happen here.
My own feeling is that they should not be given the legitimacy of appearing on QT or being constantly interviewed by the media.
If he focuses on attacking the corruption of the three main parties and the social ills of the country then he will get support and that is extremely dangerous.
The QT audience may be packed with their vocal supporters (don't tell me the BBC will have vetted them properly - are you a supporter of the BNP Herr Hitler? - no I'm a socialist - ha ha a National socialist)
What the hell did we fight and die against the nazis for to allow them such a platform?
Hatred deserves no platform or attempts at rationality.
Richard

Although I am not necessarily in disagreement with you, your argument does to some extent undermine the very premise of a democracy.

Can the masses be trusted to rule themselves! perhaps not

 

[Ambrose Ackroyd]

I watched that shambles of a programme last night and what was very clear to me was that Griffin lacked the ability to argue his case intelligently, logically and coherently.

The man showed himself up to be the moron that he so obviously is.....he is the same as the rest of the so called BNP.....full of slogans and chants but without the depth of knowledge to argue any political angle in an intelligent fashion.

On another note, I was disappointed in Jack Straw.

He rambles, avoids the question and is a sh1t speaker.

On the other hand the lady from the Conservative party talked clearly, concisely and sensibly.

She was a revelation.

Loved the poet lady too.

On the whole a pretty crap programme and I think the BNP made no friends from that completely chaotic situation.

Griffin is a twerp and should be sectioned under the Mental Health Act.

How the f**k he managed to get into Cambridge I will never know !!!

What he knows about Islam, my dog has already forgotten.

 

[Mr. Charts]

Poor Herr Griffin...........ganged up on and denied his democratic human rights by being criticised and laughed at..........never mind, when he comes to power we lucky ones will all be strung up from lamp posts to cleanse the nation of non-Aryan peoples, liberals, conservatives, labour etc., whilst the less fortunate will be tortured and gassed and burnt.

 

[zambuck]

One reason is to do with Gangmasters who are often paying well below minimum wage rates and will not employ anything other than migrant cheap labour. This is why you are now seeing new positions being created to monitor and "attempt" enforcement of UK employment law on them as there is a huge number of these Gangmasters about.


Paul

...The Gangmasters in cockle picker affair where many Chinese died DID not get prosecuted....case against them collapsed...and they are free men...From memory it was a father and son team who were running this affair....instead they charged and senteced a Chinese guy who was acting as a intermediary and a leader.......!