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This is a discussion on edge init within the First Steps forums, part of the New Traders category; Originally Posted by ChocolateDigestive That last point was telling for me in that you could give most people a solid ...

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Old Jun 27, 2012, 6:38am   #65
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That last point was telling for me in that you could give most people a solid edge but they most likely would not have the discipline and staying power to take advantage of it.
Solid edge and urge to gamble can coexist if your edge produces enough profit to satisfy your gambling needs.
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Old Jun 27, 2012, 8:18am   #66
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Will try to get the thread back on track without the mentally challenged disrupting things (the most polite way I could put it)

I was having a read through of the Blair Hull interview last night in new market wizards. Of course I bought the book from amazon although some people say it is available on illegal download.

I enjoyed his interview as he hardly talked about trading to begin with it was all about his early days as a blackjack card counter. Some great stuff there. Points that stood out:

*He spent 5 days a month in Las Vegas hour after hour playing blacjack just for a 1 to 2% edge. Wow that is some effort for such a small edge. He turned $120 into $10,000 over the space of 2 years using this edge.

*He talks about the importance of how many times you can apply the edge. I think about whether i would prefer an 90% 1:1 edge that I only get the opportunity to apply once a month or whether I would prefer a 55% 1:! edge that I can apply 1000 times a month. hmmmm

*He talks about how and why he played in a team. Very interesting, they pooled their bankrolls which allowed them ride out a greater variance of results but also allowed them to conceal the 'big player'. Pooling came with it's own problems though when they found one of their team was skimming off the top.

*He talks about the edge still be available in Casinos. He said the casinos knew people could play with an edge but they also knew most people ( i think he mentioned 499/500) would not have the discipline and staying power to take advantage of it.

That last point was telling for me in that you could give most people a solid edge but they most likely would not have the discipline and staying power to take advantage of it.
You mean card counting.
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You mean card counting.
that was his technique for generating the edge yes.
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that was his technique for generating the edge yes.
Don't they beat or kill you for doing that though.

Watched a film about it recently forget it's name, Kevin Spacey was in it.
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Don't they beat or kill you for doing that though.

Watched a film about it recently forget it's name, Kevin Spacey was in it.
21. good film.

PS - I very much like the post about the oil trader doing the spread trades.

I personally think that nobody on this site has what I would define as an 'edge' (like the oil trader taking non-directional trades based on information not many are privvy too)
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Old Jun 27, 2012, 8:32am   #70
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Don't they beat or kill you for doing that though.

Watched a film about it recently forget it's name, Kevin Spacey was in it.
I am not suggesting that you try it. I have seen that film too, I don't think they would beat you up these days, I have sat in Casinos in London before and counted, one time the dealer said to me 'what's the matter lost the count' lol. I think it's harder these days anyway as the casinos tend to use more decks and shuffle up a lot besides a 1% or 2% is pitiful compared to the edges that can be found in the markets.
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Choc Dig, what is your answer to your own question?
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Old Jun 27, 2012, 10:59am   #72
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If you think you have an edge how did you come about it? Not asking for details of the edge just how you came about it?
Ok, back to topic.

Practical experience, aka loosing money aka paying DIY tuition fees, and watching youtube videos and actually getting what they are saying is a killer combo. The edge comes when you finally understood what the market is. Then making money is a foregone conclusion, even if there remains rough edges to work off. Now, what is the market ? The market is like the clouds, but it rains pips.

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