why forex traders lose money

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I found a very detailed reply to the question " why do forex traders lose money?" on an other forum. So i decided to post it here as it can be helpful for beginner as me. Do you agree with every point there, do you have something else to add?

Thanks a lot for your opinion!


" In FOREX trading, there are six major reasons traders lose money. If you can avoid these pitfalls then you can join the minority of winners that pile up the big profits consistently.

Here are the trading traps that will cause you to lose money:

1. The Contrarian’s Disease

You should have a contrary opinion to the other Forex traders in the market – most traders lose money, so you want to trade in opposition to the herd.

Most traders lose because they lack discipline and money management - but they’re very often right about market direction. It’s the trader’s inability to maximise these opportunities when they’re trading the FOREX - and stay with the trend, that makes them lose money.

Many traders are looking to pick tops and bottoms, and never focus on trend following. Picking tops and bottoms is impossible. You can’t predict the turning points in FOREX trading - so you need to change your focus to trend following, not prediction.

2. The Chartists Trap

In FOREX trading many traders fall into the trap of putting all their efforts into studying charts. Studying charts is important - but you must not be too subjective, or you will end up losing.

Avoid methods that need too much subjective analysis, such as Elliot Wave and cycles - and gravitate towards indicators that define trends - such as moving averages and momentum oscillators.

Be objective and not subjective in your FOREX trading.

3. Ego

FOREX trading attracts some of the cleverest people in the world, these traders are smart - but they also have big egos. An ego is a bad trait in FOREX trading - as it means you always want to see the market, as you want to see it - and not how it really is.

Traders need to ask themselves this question: Do you want to make money or feel smart? The market won’t accommodate both of these desires – if you want to make money, leave your ego behind.

The humble trader who has an objective and disciplined FOREX trading plan, realizes the market can make him (and everyone else) look stupid. However, he’s only interested in making money, and he’ll generally out perform an ego filled trader, who wants to beat the market.

4. Guru Syndrome

When you’re trading in the FOREX market, it’s tempting to follow someone who’s made money - or says they have.

It’s a fact that most traders want success given to them by someone else, and these traders can’t take responsibility for their own actions.

In the game of FOREX trading, the only way to succeed is on your own - if you can’t accept this, then do something else.

5. Chasing your Tail

Many traders get impatient when FOREX trading - they start trading using one method, get frustrated with it when it’s not performing - they then switch to a different method, and so on.

Bad periods are normally followed by good trading results (if you’re using a soundly based system) - so patience and discipline are needed. By frequently chopping and changing systems, you’ll lose money.

If you have a trading plan that you believe in, then stick with it - and stop chasing your tail. Stay focused, and be patient with your system.

6. Using Options Incorrectly

When you’re FOREX trading, using options gives you staying power - and limited risk, which makes options a great trading tool.

Many traders use options incorrectly - they focus on buying options with small time value, and that are way out of the money. This is a guaranteed way to lose money when options trading! What you need to do is focus on buying options, at or in the money - with lots of time value - also use spreads to increase your chances of success.

:cool:
 
I found a very detailed reply to the question " why do forex traders lose money?" on an other forum. So i decided to post it here as it can be helpful for beginner as me. Do you agree with every point there, do you have something else to add?

Thanks a lot for your opinion!


" In FOREX trading, there are six major reasons traders lose money. If you can avoid these pitfalls then you can join the minority of winners that pile up the big profits consistently.

Here are the trading traps that will cause you to lose money:

1. The Contrarian’s Disease

You should have a contrary opinion to the other Forex traders in the market – most traders lose money, so you want to trade in opposition to the herd.

Most traders lose because they lack discipline and money management - but they’re very often right about market direction. It’s the trader’s inability to maximise these opportunities when they’re trading the FOREX - and stay with the trend, that makes them lose money.

Many traders are looking to pick tops and bottoms, and never focus on trend following. Picking tops and bottoms is impossible. You can’t predict the turning points in FOREX trading - so you need to change your focus to trend following, not prediction.

2. The Chartists Trap

In FOREX trading many traders fall into the trap of putting all their efforts into studying charts. Studying charts is important - but you must not be too subjective, or you will end up losing.

Avoid methods that need too much subjective analysis, such as Elliot Wave and cycles - and gravitate towards indicators that define trends - such as moving averages and momentum oscillators.

Be objective and not subjective in your FOREX trading.

3. Ego

FOREX trading attracts some of the cleverest people in the world, these traders are smart - but they also have big egos. An ego is a bad trait in FOREX trading - as it means you always want to see the market, as you want to see it - and not how it really is.

Traders need to ask themselves this question: Do you want to make money or feel smart? The market won’t accommodate both of these desires – if you want to make money, leave your ego behind.

The humble trader who has an objective and disciplined FOREX trading plan, realizes the market can make him (and everyone else) look stupid. However, he’s only interested in making money, and he’ll generally out perform an ego filled trader, who wants to beat the market.

4. Guru Syndrome

When you’re trading in the FOREX market, it’s tempting to follow someone who’s made money - or says they have.

It’s a fact that most traders want success given to them by someone else, and these traders can’t take responsibility for their own actions.

In the game of FOREX trading, the only way to succeed is on your own - if you can’t accept this, then do something else.

5. Chasing your Tail

Many traders get impatient when FOREX trading - they start trading using one method, get frustrated with it when it’s not performing - they then switch to a different method, and so on.

Bad periods are normally followed by good trading results (if you’re using a soundly based system) - so patience and discipline are needed. By frequently chopping and changing systems, you’ll lose money.

If you have a trading plan that you believe in, then stick with it - and stop chasing your tail. Stay focused, and be patient with your system.

6. Using Options Incorrectly

When you’re FOREX trading, using options gives you staying power - and limited risk, which makes options a great trading tool.

Many traders use options incorrectly - they focus on buying options with small time value, and that are way out of the money. This is a guaranteed way to lose money when options trading! What you need to do is focus on buying options, at or in the money - with lots of time value - also use spreads to increase your chances of success.

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Good points but you omitted the most impotant one. That is improper use of stop losses. That is the greatest killer of traders. It doesnt protect anyone. Secret..reduce leverage, keep trade to account size low. This is out of norm but the truth!
 
Good point!

I agree!









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Hi St. Sarah,

Why trader forex trader loose money? the answer is simple because they never plan to win!! In forex fail to plan your trading is a plan to fail your trading. Three essential element in forex trading plan is

1. Risk Management / Money Management
2. Forex trading system
3. Emotional management

Herewith I would like to share some information on how to build a very good forex trading plan http://www.forexdiscussion.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=27

Happy Trading!!!
 
Forex is a zero-sum game. Retail traders lose to professional well-informed traders. Only a small percentage can compete with market makers. As some already pointed out, high leverage combined with bad money management contribute mostly to the failure rate.
 
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Very good points, when I was demo trading I use to chop ad change strategies and use high leverage thinking of how much I could make. I learned to accept that my strategy can have a string of potential losses
 
Very good points, when I was demo trading I use to chop ad change strategies and use high leverage thinking of how much I could make. I learned to accept that my strategy can have a string of potential losses

You should think how much you can lose . . . that will give you different feeling about trading.

But there is many reasons for traders losing money:

1. People who shouldn't trade - trade
2. Brokers trading against the client
3. Simple being greedy
4. Trading no with the risk capital.
 
Very true John.
Most worrying is the dealer trading against you, we need better regulation of the foreign exchange market in regards to this kind of point.
 
Very true John.
Most worrying is the dealer trading against you, we need better regulation of the foreign exchange market in regards to this kind of point.

I do think so to, but is it possible to force casino to work not against the clients.

Take away Forex for people who doesn't 100K to trade with and everything will be fine.
 
I can also add the lack of a trading plan.
For example, I never get down to trade until the draw 7-5 versions currency movements, with pending orders, insurance products and stop los
 
I would ask another question - why and how Brokers earn money?

I did some researches in this field and find out what is Virtual plag-in for Metatrader. This tool helps to lose money all trades and helps brokers to make more money.

This explains even why most brokers like MT4 and promote it very hard - it's a comfortable platform to rip customers.
 
Hi guys,,,I agree with you..Very good points, when I was demo trading I use to chop ad change strategies and use high leverage thinking of how much I could make. ...
thanks for share with all.

regards..

kumkum
 
I would ask another question - why and how Brokers earn money?

Hi Joseff!
If it is the truth - I will be very disappointed.
Sometimes I think that i lose my money becouse i do something wrong and may be the reason is me, but sometimes it seems that "anybody" do it with me.
When i open position it goes in other way, may be i am wrong, but i still wanna belive that forex is honest market.
 
Hi Joseff!
If it is the truth - I will be very disappointed.
Sometimes I think that i lose my money becouse i do something wrong and may be the reason is me, but sometimes it seems that "anybody" do it with me.
When i open position it goes in other way, may be i am wrong, but i still wanna belive that forex is honest market.

Oh...boy! Honest forex market is unicorn:)
 
:)

I think in all cases to withdrow the money small parts after "+" daytrading ;)


p.s. always think about your security - the rule of this game))
 
The forex market is the perfect algorithm to part 'uninformed' traders with their money so it is a goldmine for anyone who owns it. Many forex brokers do rely on you losing your money to profit but this is only possible after they have paid out all those who have made money on their platforms. They trade against you in the sense that they are taking the other side of your trade, they do hedge; possibly 20% of the time and their spread is like the 'zero' on a roulette wheel. The wider the spread, the greater the odds are scewed in their favour (or the market's) if you trade frequently enough for short term gain. The forex market to a broker is like a game of roullette to a casino. If you are retail and sit at the table with a '$1000 account', given enough leverage, time and frequent trading, your money will be lost to those who own the market.

If you cant trade from point A to point B and make money, you cant make money trading on an ECN, STP, direct access, with a market maker, on the floor of the exchange or from home with lightning fast execution through MT4!

The simple fact is, that 'scared and uninformed' money will consider blaming everyone from their platform to the spreads and the broker trading against them, because they dont have the right tools to get the job done. make consistently profitable trades.

Let me let you all in on something, someone is always trading against you! yes, its either your brokeer or the millionaire next door. When you enter and exit the market you are buying and selling with someone! The market is a dog eat dog jungle, that other someone needs and wants to make money too. You either kill or be killed and you either starve or you survive through what you kill.

Some of you need to get with the program, 'stop running' is a profitable strategy and you either trade as a professional to make money or you are retail.

Not telling you the whole truth voluntarily is not lying; so dont be the uninformed trader.
 
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