Ukraine invasion

Why doesn't Brian report on Nazis from the east?
R_L,
Dr Robert Horvath, the author of the article you linked to, made the mistake of trotting out debunked spin in the first paragraph, making it pointless to read on any further. Namely, the 'far right' only receiving 2% of the vote and that Zelensky is a Jew, ergo there's no Nazi problem in Ukraine. Either . . .
1. This is mere pro-Ukrainian propaganda, so it isn't to be taken seriously, or
2. It's an insult to the intelligence of a five year old with learning difficulties, so it isn't to be taken seriously.
IMO, it's both. Whatever, spot the common denominator and the reason why I didn't read on.

In answer to your question, could it be - and this is just a wild stab in the dark - the reason Brian doesn't report on the people that Horvath claims are Russian Nazis is because either . . .
1. Like the first para in the article - it's debunked spin, or
2. They aren't responsible for shelling and killing thousands upon thousands of Russians either in Ukraine or in Russia?

As I say, just a wild stab in the dark!
:ROFLMAO:
Tim.
 
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The point is that nazis are everywhere, like rapists or other criminals.
True.
But only Ukraine has a whole army battalion of them with their own insignia who are largely responsible for shelling and killing thousands upon thousands of Russians living in the Donbas region.
It was just an excuse to invade and expand Russia, that is just the biggest country in the world... 🤷‍♂️
The only people who still believe this are those who've been fed a constant diet of western propaganda and, for whatever reason, haven't sought to gain a wider perspective and examine the historical context behind the war. You don't have that excuse CV - shame on you.
😲
Tim.
 
But only Ukraine has a whole army battalion of them with their own insignia who are largely responsible for shelling and killing thousands upon thousands of Russians living in the Donbas region.
And do you think this is the reason for Putin's invasion?

My reasons:
Plan A (failed) : turn Ukraine into Belarus 2.0
Plan B (current) : land bridge for Crimea + grab as much land as possible
 
Those of you who really can't stand the truth, facts and reality will want to bring out your big guns to shoot the messenger - Russell Brand in the vid' below - because the message (i.e. the truth, facts and reality) is really going to get up your noses. Alternatively, you could say why he's wrong and present a plausible counter argument. Well, you could do that if there was a plausible counter argument to be had - but there isn't - so you can't. Shooting the messenger really is your only option.

 
Those of you who really can't stand the truth, facts and reality will want to bring out your big guns to shoot the messenger - Russell Brand in the vid' below - because the message (i.e. the truth, facts and reality) is really going to get up your noses. Alternatively, you could say why he's wrong and present a plausible counter argument. Well, you could do that if there was a plausible counter argument to be had - but there isn't - so you can't. Shooting the messenger really is your only option.

Yes, maybe we should rely on comedic videos to inform us about the "truth."

It's not like anyone would use logic and facts ...
 
More evidence the war isn't working out well for Russia ...

Putin Describes Situation in Occupied Ukrainian Territories as ‘Extremely Difficult’​

Russian leader orders increase in surveillance to weed out ‘traitors, spies and saboteurs’​

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Russian President Vladimir Putin made a rare admission that the war in Ukraine is facing obstacles.
PHOTO: MIKHAIL METZEL/AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE/GETTY IMAGES
By

Ann M. Simmons
Updated Dec. 20, 2022 6:51 pm ET

MOSCOW—Russian President Vladimir Putin acknowledged that there were serious challenges facing Russian forces in Ukraine and ordered domestic security forces to tighten their checks on Russians at home, as the Kremlin appears to gird for what is likely to be a long conflict.

Mr. Putin made a rare admission Tuesday that the war in Ukraine—where Russian forces have suffered a number of stinging setbacks since the summer—is facing obstacles.

Mr. Putin said that there were difficulties in the Ukrainian territories that the Kremlin has illegally claimed as Russian land.

In September, the Kremlin staged referendums in Russian-controlled Luhansk and areas of Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia. It then declared that Moscow had annexed those regions, despite Russian forces only controlling some portions of them.

In video comments published Tuesday, marking Security Workers Day—a special holiday for employees in that sector—Mr. Putin described the situation in those territories as “extremely difficult.”

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Moscow has previously sought to play down any problems with Russia’s offensive in Ukraine, with the Kremlin’s propaganda machine, casting battlefield retreats as a necessary step to regroup and prevent the unnecessary loss of Russian service personnel.

In September, Mr. Putin ordered what he called a “partial mobilization” of 300,000 draftees, arguing that the move—unpopular among most Russians, polls show—was needed to defend Russia’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. The Kremlin leader acknowledging difficulties in the recently seized territories could be a strategy to prepare the Russian population for a protracted war or laying the groundwork for the call up of additional troops, some analysts who monitor Kremlin policy have said.

Although the country’s defense ministry announced in October that the mobilization was complete, the fact that Mr. Putin hasn’t signed a decree officially ending the draft has stirred concern among many Russians who fear another draft is imminent. But others view a new call-up as inevitable.


Mobilized soldiers received combat training this month outside Moscow.

PHOTO: YURI KOCHETKOV/SHUTTERSTOCK

“Mobilization cannot be partial. If it is declared, then it goes until the end of the war in waves,” Igor Skurlatov, a political analyst who heads Third Power, a social group that unites Russian ultra-patriots, wrote on his Telegram channel Saturday. “These are military basics. Why anyone thinks otherwise is unclear.”

In November, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters that there were no discussions in the Kremlin of a new mobilization, but “I can’t speak for the defense ministry,” he said.

On Tuesday, Mr. Putin told the security services that people living in the Russian-controlled areas of Ukraine are citizens of Russia and it was their “duty to do everything necessary to ensure their security, rights and freedoms as much as possible.”

Security services personnel include employees of the Foreign Intelligence Service, the Federal Protective Service includes presidential security, the Main Directorate of Special Programs, and the Federal Security Service, or FSB, successor to the Soviet-era KGB.

Mr. Putin called on the FSB to enhance the monitoring of Russian society, including putting places of mass gatherings, strategic facilities, transport and energy infrastructure “under constant control.”

A “concentration of forces is now required from counterintelligence agencies, including the military,” Mr. Putin said. “It’s necessary to strictly suppress the actions of foreign intelligence services, to quickly identify traitors, spies and saboteurs.”


Vladimir Putin met on Tuesday with the Moscow-appointed head of the Donetsk region.

PHOTO: MIKHAIL KLIMENTYEV/ASSOCIATED PRESS

The Kremlin has cracked down on protests against the war or other domestic dissent this year, jailing thousands who publicly opposed the campaign or protested September’s call-up of draftees that prompted hundreds of thousands of fighting-age Russian men to leave the country.

Mr. Putin’s comments come as fighting continues to rage across most of the territories that Russia absorbed from Ukraine. Last week, Russian-installed officials in Donetsk and Luhansk accused Kyiv’s forces of shelling residential areas, schools and a hospital. Areas inside Russia have also been struck, including the border regions of Kursk and Belgorod, where on Sunday a rocket killed at least one person.

Meanwhile, Russia this week launched fresh waves of drone attacks against Ukraine as the country struggled to repair damaged energy infrastructure that has left millions without power. On Friday, a significant Russian cruise-missile attack against Ukrainian infrastructure targets left Kharkiv and several other cities, including the capital, Kyiv, without power, water and heating for several hours. Serhiy Kovalenko, the chief executive of Ukrainian energy company Yasno, said Tuesday that for residents of the capital, 10-hour blackouts are the new reality.

On absorbing the four new territories in September, Mr. Putin vowed that the people living in these areas would be part of Russia forever. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has pledged to retake the occupied areas, driving Russian forces from lands that he says rightfully belong to his nation.

In November, Russian forces ceded control of the city of Kherson, the only regional capital it had managed to take since invading Ukraine in February. The retreat marked the biggest setback in what the Kremlin calls its special military operation.


Ukrainian volunteers and servicemen distributed humanitarian aid to people in Kherson this week.

PHOTO: SERGEY KOZLOV/SHUTTERSTOCK

Western arms have helped Ukraine clinch a series of battlefield victories in recent months, but officials in Kyiv say the support so far isn’t enough to drive Russian forces out of all the territory they have occupied. Russia is betting that Western backing for Kyiv will wane as the war drags on and the cost of arming Ukraine and propping up its economy grows.

Mr. Putin has remained defiant, refusing to back down despite a series of international sanctions that have impaired Russia’s economy and amid growing isolation from the West.

On Tuesday, the Russian leader looked relaxed as he presided over a Kremlin ceremony to present the highest state award to those he described as “heroes, pioneers, creators, courageous and hardworking people who have made a huge contribution to the development of the country, who have proven themselves in our difficult but significant time.”

Among the recipients were the Russian-installed leaders of the illegally integrated Ukrainian regions.
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It's not like anyone would use logic and facts ...
Your waffling, theoretical video is two months old and, therefore, out of date.
We know who did it and why - as Russell Brand explains in his current and factually up-to-date video.
:rolleyes:
 
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More evidence the war isn't working out well for Russia ...
R_L,
Interesting that you'd rather focus on what a WSJ reporter says (with no actual quotes of Putin's statement/speech), than comment on what the head of Ukraine's armed forces says about the current state of the conflict. That speaks volumes.
This poll, like so many of you on the wrong side of the argument, completely misses the point. Why? Because if it was a real poll, I too would vote 'yes'. Think about it!

In other news, Zelensky is on his way to the U.S. to try and wake sleepy Joe from his slumbers. When he stirs, this is the very brief conversation they'll have:
Zelensky: "Mr. President, on behalf of everyone in Ukraine, I've come here to thank you in person for the incredible financial support and military aid that your country has provided us since the start of the war."
Biden: "My pleasure Mr. President. Is there anything else we can do for you?"
Zelensky: "Well, actually, yes there is. Just to enable us to remain in the fight, you need to provide us with the package of military support outlined by General Zaluzhny in his interview with The Economist. If you don't, then we - i.e. you and the U.S. - will lose this war".
Biden: "Oh s h i i i i i i i i t !!!!!!!"
Out of earshot from Zelensky, Biden summons one of his handlers and whispers to him: "Put the bus on standby".

Tim.
 

Update on Russian military operations in Ukraine for December 21, 2022
  • Pentagon admits Russia is gaining ground in Bakhmut.
  • Zelensky visit to Bakhmut mirrors similar visit to Lysychansk before it fell to Russian forces.
  • Western media admits Russia has Ukraine outgunned 6 to 1 in Bakhmut.
  • Claims that Russian losses are as significant as catastrophic toll Ukraine is suffering in Bakhmut does not reflect reality if Russia outguns Ukraine significantly.
  • Bakhmut is a significant transportation hub and a crucial fortified position along one of Ukraine's last major defensive lines in the east.
  • The fall of Bakhmut may lead to a similar breakthrough like Popasna.
  • Russian forces appear interested in destroying Ukraine's military at Bakhmut more than taking the city itself.
 
R_L,
Interesting that you'd rather focus on what a WSJ reporter says (with no actual quotes of Putin's statement/speech)
The article is about what Putin said, not what a reporter said. But since you have been consistent with your unwavering neutrality and objectivity:), here is what Vlad actually said (translated to English).
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But as a master strategist, he'll fix it with a different kind of special operation.
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The article is about what Putin said, not what a reporter said. But since you have been consistent with your unwavering neutrality and objectivity:), here is what Vlad actually said (translated to English).
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But as a master strategist, he'll fix it with a different kind of special operation.
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Timsk knows all about clowns. He posts their content almost daily.
 
Russia not to blame for the war special operation in Ukraine.


Ukrainians are his brothers. :ROFLMAO: I'm sure Ukrainians think the same way. NOT !

Deluded doesn't even begin to cover it !

Let the excuses continue, nobody is listening to him anyway. Sounds like the start of a climb down on Putlers part. Maybe he's gotten a reality check. His war is unwinnable.
 
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. . . nobody is listening to him anyway.
Which sums up the problem very concisely. If 'people' had listened to him at almost any point over the past decade - then this entire $hit show could easily have been avoided.
Sounds like the start of a climb down on Putlers part. Maybe he's gotten a reality check. His war is unwinnable.
The only people who need a reality check are the terminally deluded fantasists who still think Ukraine can win the war, even though the general in charge of Ukrainian armed forces has said they can't.
:rolleyes:
 
. . . But since you have been consistent with your unwavering neutrality and objectivity:)
R_L - I'm not neutral at all.
I have consistently and repeatedly made clear (as recently as this post) that I don't care for Putin, I don't support his actions and think he should call a ceasefire and withdraw his forces immediately. Unlike you and the CVs, I'm a realist and accept that Putin doesn't give a fig about what I want and hope for.

The tragic reality is that Putin's forces will continue to put Ukrainian forces through the meat grinder until there aren't any left. Do I want that? No, of course not, but the fact is that's what's happening and will continue to happen unless and until those on the wrong side of the argument come to their senses and put a stop to it.
 
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At least there's one person in the U.S. who understands what's going on and can see right through Zelensky's BS. Enjoy . . .

 
At least there's one person in the U.S. who understands what's going on and can see right through Zelensky's BS. Enjoy . . .


Yep, US loves Zelensky. He makes all the right noises and takes the right steps on furthering Democracy in Ukraine and the broader world.

Hard to believe that Russia under Putin walked right into this trap. What a complete idiot ! :ROFLMAO:
 
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