Traders Wanted - The Tibra Group

I think I should have been more explicit - we are always interested in hiring experienced market makers. At a guess, you sound like a Technical Analysis trader in equities, which is as far removed from derivatives market making as you can get - I doubt that your experience in TA would transfer well to a market making role.

The market making industry is incredibly technology focussed: Tibra's systems are top notch and they are our top priority going forward. A good trader at a company with bad systems is not going to make anywhere near as much as he would at a company with good systems. The opposite is also true - a bad trader at a company with good systems is still going to lose money. There are other incentives to jump ship - such as potential equity ownership. Working at a top market making firm like Tibra also has a lot of 'perks' like company holidays, free lunches, entertainment areas, longer annual leave, and more.

The 'big hitters' are the guys that have shown themselves to be not only excellent market makers, but have also contributed to the company in other ways, such as training new staff, or developing new trading ideas.

The reason the bonus pool is shared is simply because we don't want infighting over who trades which product. For example, a trader that makes X million dollars on a tough product will be paid a higher bonus than someone who makes the same money on an easier product. We also take into account the level of risk that a trader carries to achieve a certain profit - all other things being equal, a trader that takes on less risk will receive a higher bonus. We also allocate a chunk of the bonus pool to IT staff since they are almost as big a part of the company as the trading staff!

Hope that answers a few questions ...

Hi roohif,

I'm keen to hear more about your offer to experienced traders (with a track record).

What are you commissions like for US equities and what other markets do you offer?
How must buying power do you give?

How is the stucture with salary/pay-outs/bonuses?

I'm struggling to see why profitable experienced traders would join your firm because as was mentioned previously, your bonuses are pooled then shared across all traders instead of each trader eating what they kill. While its nice for your fresh outta college newbies to be getting a fat bonus, whats in it for the big hitters of the firm?

Apologies if this comes across as harsh but I'm honestly just curious. You said your big earners don't tend to jump ship to other firms and for this to happen you must give them a bit extra on the side surely.

Perhaps PM me if you like.

Thanks,
Nizar.
 
roohif said:
At a guess, you sound like a Technical Analysis trader in equities, which is as far removed from derivatives market making as you can get - I doubt that your experience in TA would transfer well to a market making role.

Hi roohif,

You are close - I trade US markets intraday through semi-automated systems that I have designed.

I wouldn't know the first thing about market making, nor would I be interested in a market making role.

It says on your website that you also trade equities and that is why I posted my question.
http://www.tibra.com/tibra_trading_about

Thanks for your response.

Nizar.
 
Re: "A good trader at a company with bad systems"

talk-talk-talk

Dude, is there a problem? You certainly talk a lot of 5h1t, but all I've seen so far of your (suposedly) real time blog is meaningless drivel - no mention of whether you are actually executing trades, and no mention of how big you trade. For all we know you could be paper trading!
 
"We trade these products both on exchanges and over the counter"

no serious trader is trading OTC products
 
"Dude, is there a problem? " Yes

Tibra, who the hell is this lser, is talking about trading.
Have u ever seen a single trade of tibra ? have u ever seen any entry just in time.

This guy is trying to establish a kind of franchising system wo being qualified as a seller of a franchising system.
 
Re: as I told u "no serious trader is trading OTC products "

as I told u "no serious trader is trading OTC products "

Yes, and as I told you: you need to explain yourself, or I will assume you are talking out your **** as usual.

"No serious trader posts all his moves on the internet"
 
only a serious trader posts all his moves on the internet!

u may ask why ... ? think about it.
"20100602.0728 EURUSD b.GT.12210 .... bottom
20100602.0746 EURUSD b.GT.12224 .... no top
20100602.0753 EURUSD s.LT.12224 .... top
20100602.0803 EURUSD b.GT.12208 .... bottom
20100602.0828 EURUSD b.GT.12218 .... no top
20100602.0832 EURUSD b.GT.12197 .... bottom
20100602.0836 EURUSD b.GT.12208 .... no top
20100602.0854 EURUSD b.GT.12213 .... no top, huge.R.exp.4.NOW! "
 
Re: only a serious trader posts all his moves on the internet!

u may ask why ... ? think about it.

I've traded hundreds of OTCs - I know the pros and cons. You're the one that's asserting that they aren't "serious" products - so please, don't keep all us idiots in suspense - tell us why.

20100602.0728 EURUSD b.GT.12210 .... bottom
20100602.0746 EURUSD b.GT.12224 .... no top
20100602.0753 EURUSD s.LT.12224 .... top
20100602.0803 EURUSD b.GT.12208 .... bottom
20100602.0828 EURUSD b.GT.12218 .... no top
20100602.0832 EURUSD b.GT.12197 .... bottom
20100602.0836 EURUSD b.GT.12208 .... no top
20100602.0854 EURUSD b.GT.12213 .... no top, huge.R.exp.4.NOW!

Like I said - meaningless drivel - did you actually buy in at the "bottom", if so, how much? Did you sell it at the "top"? How much? What was your overall profit?
 
if u r wrong in equities u r als wrong in options of equities, so why ...

"A detailed understanding of option pricing theory (or the ability to learn it quickly and efficiently) and capacity to operate under significant pressure are essential."
 
Re: "so please, don't keep all us idiots in suspense - tell us why."

First of all, LOL @ PINK SHEETS!! I don't even consider the pink sheets to be a legitimate market, and subsequently don't give a crap what does or doesn't happen there OTC. And secondly, who the hell publishes OTC trades on the internet?!

1. Yes, there are usually only a handful of trades in each product per day.
2. NO! In the derivatives markets, OTC trades are usually thousands of times bigger than a single exchange traded option.
3. Maybe. It requires that each party have a credit agreement in place with the other, and that basically rules out all of the smaller players. The OTC markets are, for the most part, made up of big investment banks and market makers (who then hedge out the risk in the ETO market).

And my deepest, most heartfelt apologies for not responding instantly to your message. Some of us have to eat.

1. the amounts of trades per day is usually too small
2. the trade volume is too small
3. the amount of different traders is too small

summarized : no liquidity
i.e.
Symbol,Updates,Price,Pct Chg,$ Volume,Share Volume,# Trades
FQVLF,123823,53.4749,-0.75,124945,2377,9
SAPIF,107347,N/A,N/A,112505,4119,2
NTIOF,96823,54.3198,-3.03,273138,5024,8
SHERF,87211,6.158,-1.63,225527,36274,9
PEGFF,86353,20.58,-1.58,387795,18623,32
CSCTF,85441,36.1955,-2.46,546283,14880,51
RBIFF,84835,25.43,0.00,376897,14766,34
CIFAF,84355,N/A,N/A,134243,7701,2
YLWPF,81250,5.83,-2.35,369296,61537,107
HUSKF,79126,25.38,+0.89,105257,4183,8
"http://www.otcmarkets.com/pink/marketactivity/rt_trade_stats.jsp"


SO, WHAT, no answer ? lser!
 
dealer options are not traded on any type of public exchange,

dealer options are made esp. for losers, lu
20100602.1401 EURUSD b.GT.12220 .... no top, huge.R.exp.4.NOW!
 
ur sis sells dealer options too, right to me and now!

20100602.1549 CTDBQ.OB b.GT.114^-4 ... bottom
20100602.1618 CTDBQ.OB b.GT.123^-4 ... no top

THE SMALL CAP STOCK MARKETS PRIMARILY EXIST TO FLEECE YOU! I'm talking about Vancouver, Alberta, the Canadian Dealing Network and the US Over-the Counter markets (Pink Sheets, Bulletin Board, etc.).
One could also stretch this, with many stocks, to include the world's senior stock markets, including Toronto, New York, NASDAQ, London, etc. The average investor or speculator is not very likely to have much success in the small cap crapshoots.
I guess that is what attracted gamblers to these OTC markets and dealer options
 
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Re: ur sis sells dealer options too, right to me and now!

Are you sure you don't want to attribute what you've posted to the original author? Failing to do so is called plagiarism.

http://www.financial-spread-betting.com/Stock-market-manipulation.html

THE SMALL CAP STOCK MARKETS PRIMARILY EXIST TO FLEECE YOU! I'm talking about Vancouver, Alberta, the Canadian Dealing Network and the US Over-the Counter markets (Pink Sheets, Bulletin Board, etc.).
One could also stretch this, with many stocks, to include the world's senior stock markets, including Toronto, New York, NASDAQ, London, etc. The average investor or speculator is not very likely to have much success in the small cap crapshoots.
I guess that is what attracted gamblers to these OTC markets and dealer options

and here is the original:

In order to successfully speculate, one should presume the following: THE SMALL CAP STOCK MARKETS PRIMARILY EXIST TO FLEECE YOU! I'm talking about Vancouver, Alberta, the Canadian Dealing Network and the US Over-the Counter markets (Pink Sheets, Bulletin Board, etc.). One could also stretch this, with many stocks, to include the world's senior stock markets, including Toronto, New York, NASDAQ, London, etc. The average investor or speculator is not very likely to have much success in the small cap crapshoots. I guess that is what attracted ME to these markets. I have been trying, for quite some time, to answer this question, "How come?" Now, I know. And you should, too!
 
Hi. Is this offer still current please? I am in London, UK. Thanks.
Tibra Capital and it's subsidiary, Tibra Trading, require traders (graduate and experienced) for positions in Sydney, London and Hong Kong.

The Tibra Group is an independently owned and operated group of companies with operations in market making, arbitrage, risk arbitrage, prop trading and algorithmic trading, amongst others. Tibra is active on most exchanges across Asia and Europe, with some US activities as well.

Although we specialise in equity derivatives (and have the greatest need here), we have opportunities for experienced, successful traders in many other areas including fx, fixed interest and energy.

If you are exceptionally smart, disciplined, motivated and keen to join a successful and expanding company, then i encourage you to apply.

A detailed understanding of option pricing theory (or the ability to learn it quickly and efficiently) and capacity to operate under significant pressure are essential.

Check out our website tibra.com.au for details and contact addresses.
 
Hi. Is this offer still current please? I am in London, UK. Thanks.

We are always on the lookout for experienced market makers, so if that's you, you can find details on how to apply on our website.

We are not currently offering any graduate positions in our London office. Keep an eye on the website later in the year to see when they open up!
 
Hey guys,

I am starting with tibra in sept and was just wondering if any else on here is too. If so PM me so we can chat/wateva.

P.S dont PM with stuff like wot was in the test etc cz im nt gona tell u!
 
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