Stop Loss

Benji

Junior member
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Hi all, just purchaced and read the CT manual and have a quick question. I am going to start paper trading on the FTSE100.

How do you know where to have your Stop Loss. ie how many points above or below should it be or is it up to you?

thanks in advance
 

Helenqu

Established member
841 3
Hi Benji,

It depends on how you are trading. For example with stocks I place my stop just beyond the nearest suuport or resistance level. But with futures where I need to control my losses very tightly (I'm not risking more than 1% of capital on any one trade) then it's a fixed number of point stop.
You need to look at the CT manual (which I haven't seen) and decide what violates the initial premise for the trade. ie you went in because it was near support so the logical stop is if that premise is proved false ie it goes through that support.


HTH
 

Benji

Junior member
12 0
Thanks for the very quick response! So basically you can set it to whatever you want then?
 

Helenqu

Established member
841 3
As long as it makes some sort of logical sense with your system and you can afford it yes :)
 

Benji

Junior member
12 0
thanks once again!
 

shinobi

Junior member
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Benji,

If you're using the CT formula you might want to look at some of the comments on the Champion Trader thread on these boards.

Particularly those about stop loss and choppy markets. Also (and I only discovered this very recently) on the CT web site he proposes a slightly different stop loss to the one promoted in the book. If you have the book you should also have access to the members area to get this information. This revised stop setting makes much more sense of the formula.

Also take note of Helequ's comment regarding money management. This is probably one of the most overlooked areas of trading success - took me a long time to even begin to understand its importance. Study this one hard!
 

Skimbleshanks

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There are two things you need to bear in mind when setting your stops:

a) before you enter the trade, work out where you will exit IF the trade goes against you. Always protect your risk and the profits will take care of themselves. Work out how much this will cost you in real money. When you are more advanced you can work this out as a percentage. Decide if you are really willing to take this loss; if not, don't enter the trade and wait for the next one.

b) position it so that when the price comes down to take out all those traders with stops, yours does not get hit along with all the others. So leave sufficient space below the 00s (£1.00, £18.00, £19.00 etc) and previous troughs in the price. Unfortunately there is no easy formula; you just need to get a feeling for where the most appropriate place is.
 

Skimbleshanks

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Many traders put their stops just below the 00s, for example at £4.95 or £4.98 or even £4.99. It is not unknown (haha) for market makers or the big boys to bring a price down to deliberately (as if!) take out the stops at these positions before the price rises again. You see it happen all the time, where in a double bottom pattern the 2nd V of the VV is slightly lower than the 1st V. This is to hit the stops before reversing into a wonderful trend upwards - the train leaves without you in other words.

So just bear this in mind - you might want to put your stops at £4.91 or £4.92 or wherever you are unlikely to be 'inadvertently' hit.
 

Benji

Junior member
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Aha, sneeky trick of the trade eh! Thanks for that one.

you see, newbies like me would never have known that until it was too late. Cheers!!

Ben
 

Naz

Experienced member
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Benji here is an example on Microsoft.You might think that its going to bounce off $54 but they take it slightly underneath before the next move up.Stops need to take this into account.
 

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Zero Cool

Junior member
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Hi guys, Naz is the line at 54 in the above chart the support line? If so what is the best way to calculate the most accurate support and resistance lines?

Cheers guys and gals.
 

Helenqu

Established member
841 3
Hi ZC,

You can best see S/R levels on a P&F chart but failing that take any chart and draw lines where the price has had problems getting through. Where it bounces off a few times. It's less of a science than an art and it depends on which timeframe you use as to what levels you will see. But if you want to be convinced that S/R works then just watch an intraday chart of something like the Dow :)
 
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