While I am countering JJs (INVALID) claims to You Tube that my video is infringing his copyright anyone interested in viewing my story can watch it here instead
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xcnd1f_review-of-james-wave-trading-school_tech
best regards
Lloyd Hopkins
The video has been removed under a TOU violation, ostensibly by Daily Motion ... in response to what? They do not say.
This is drifting from the laughable to the sublime.
Look - either this JJ bloke has an honest, tradeable system, that makes the money he claims it does, or he hasn't.
Ultimately this case could lead to people who devise and sell systems having to prove that the system HAS been traded live, and even STILL IS being traded live, before they are allowed to act as vendor.
I am wondering why he (JJ) is not simply putting up an account to show that he is genuine - why would someone go to the extraordinary lengths to shut down any freedom-of-speech statement, blowing a whistle about unproved claims?
Wouldn't it be a far better business tactic to simply blow away your detractors by posting some real results?
If I am selling a system, and I get some very loud public noises about my system's failure, I would simply and courteously show that the system is not at fault by posting a step-by-step trade or two, and either send a certified statement of a live trading account to forum moderators, or actually post a live account statement showing all trades.
If it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, swims like a duck, you can hardly blame people for calling the bird a duck, can you?
I would say to this JJ bloke ... "Put up or shut up." If buyers have been aggrieved, and have not been dealt with appropriately by the vendor, they should be allowed some recourse - that is, at the very least they should be allowed to post their experiences in a public venue - particularly if that vendor is using the public arena to advertise his claims, be they false or otherwise.
People who have been burned should be allowed to warn others about where the heat is.
In my "opinion" Lloyd is being dealt with very unfairly by YouTube and Daily Motion, who have put commerce before verity. In the future Lloyd may have a case against them too, for discrimination, given that he is whistle-blowing against fraud, though right now it seems that no one is listening.
There are many of us "out here" Lloyd, who ARE listening, and who DO understand your battle with this vendor. I hope many other members will voice their support for you in your push to get this industry cleaned up - even if it begins with this fellow who is unable or unwilling to simply demonstrate the truth of his claims. He is taking another tack - attempting to silence the voice of his accuser, instead of kindly showing the world he does indeed have a workable method. The more he screams against you, the louder the word "scam" rings in the ears.
Some vendors are making the market-place a den of thieves, and I think it has already gone too far where there is this proliferation of ridiculous claims, but little proof, and certainly even less truth. With unfounded claims of success, and stories if disappointed purchasers surfacing every day on this and other forums, it is about time the industry got itself cleaned up.
Hopefully this will be the beginning of some sort of cleansing, where scammers can be exposed and held to account morally, if not in law. The industry should unite to kick out the thieves who are little more than failed traders themselves, taking the next easy option - flogging a carefully crafted "system" on a gullible and naive public.
I would like to see T2W more supportive and proactive in this area, particularly in cases like yours, Lloyd. T2W does quite well out of systems and how traders talk about them and operate them.
I think maybe T2W could show a little more loyalty to the consumer, and in so doing, would enhance not only their standing as a world class forum, but enhance their bottom line as well.
Why not:
* Offer system vendors the opportunity to earn a T2W STAR RATING, upon showing evidence of a system's success
* Require system vendors to actually provide proof of account earnings, in a forward-trading situation, before earning a star rating
* Provide a feedback and review system for each and every system offered in the marketplace, contributed by members, and rated by members
* Start a
SCAM AND SHAME thread, where vendors who scam get publicly listed, until they can prove they do not deserve the scam rating/listing
*... there's 4 just off the top of my head.
That's what I mean by T2W taking some responsibility, some action and showing some loyalty towards members. If such a mechanism were already in place, I doubt JJ would be able to make unproved claims, and Lloyd would not find himself on the path he now treads.
Let's give this some thought - support our members, and clean-up this scamming industry. Trade2Win has enough members - 200,000 plus I heard, or at least it is advertised as being 200,000+. Surely that is enough power to have a voice in the right places??
Freedom of speech needs NEVER to bow to the threat of law.
There is no defamation here - only a request for proof ... and truth.
This forum is called
Trade2Win not
Trade2Lose ... let's keep it that way.
