Scalping Pros and Cons

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Hi,

Thought I would try to start a disscussion about scalping, and the pro's of Cons. I used to work at Marex and was taught how to scalp the usual bund, bobl, schatz, eurostoxx etc etc from the order book. I used tight stops, get stopped out only to see the market end up where you thought it would and eventually got into the bad habbit of having a three, four tick stop and only was taking one or two ticks profit out a trade. I know this is not good risk reward ratios before anyone says anything. We were actively encouraged volume was key, thereofore the more trades I placed more volume, reduced RT costs, rebates etc. Dont get me wrong there were traders doing extremely well out of this method, across all markets. I knew people that traded the schatz, and would be long or short at every price level trying to take a tick or scratch the trade. One person who traded the bund had a playstation joystick to trade and was in and out all the time. After desk fees, personally, I was not making any real money so had to look at other things and now trade part time in the FX market. I am more of tech trader which helps in these markets. My trading style has changed, but I feel it is more in tune with the teachings at the likes of Marex, the usual follow the trend, let the trade breath run winners etc etc... The shortest term chart I use is the 5 min chart, compared to when I was at marex using 1 mins, my stops are larger, sometimes 10 - 20 pips but there are times where I can take 60 - 80 pips out of trade. It also gives me the possibilty of letting the market breath and do its thing, if I am right I will make a larger profit than my stop value and am able to follow trends. I can make 5 - 10 trades a day depending on market conditions and have a higher percentage of win ratios using Fibs, Pivots, Candle Formation, MA's, Stochastics and ADX indicators.

I would like to know if people regard this as scalping, use shorter term charts succesfully, use smaller or larger stops. I would also like to here from people who aim to trade for a tick profit or scratch the trade, and how successful they are at this. I take it most people who use this techinque trade the bond markets, especially the short end. Although enjoying the FX markets I liked the excitment of tick or scratch trading and personaly see that more like scalping than the method I am currently using, but find it hard to see how you have a decent risk reward ratio using this method as there are a number of times the markets goes through your price and you can not get out for scratch.

Like to here from people and have people discuss.
 
Ypu know i am not profitable yet, but I have traded futures and FX. in demo accounts for almost 5 months. In futures specially mini Sp the 1 min chart is complicated and the spikes take your stops out, Same happens in Fx like cable or EUR/USD. One min chart makes you think fast but sometimes the effort is not worth the money that you can make, I have seen traders here and in other places that say that the min timeframe should be 5 min chart. Let the maarket breath the longer the timeframe the more technical it becomes specially timframes like 60 min or 15 min. You get fewer possibilities but i think they might be more tehcinal and they can let you think in contrast to a 1 min chart when sometimes the spikes kill you and make your broker happy. Do what gives you money not what exites you. What is your strategy ? i can send you some chart with one min trades in mini sp and FX. and others with longer timeframe and you can see some differences. I love scalping since it give you "instant" money but think twice because i think i might end up doing more money with a longer timframe. And not getting stop out a zillion times by spikes and not a trend reversal for example

Daniel
 
It has been my experience that it is very difficult to scalp in FX due to the spikes, news events and behind the scenes fund maneuvering.
 
Ypu know i am not profitable yet, but I have traded futures and FX. in demo accounts for almost 5 months. In futures specially mini Sp the 1 min chart is complicated and the spikes take your stops out, Same happens in Fx like cable or EUR/USD. One min chart makes you think fast but sometimes the effort is not worth the money that you can make, I have seen traders here and in other places that say that the min timeframe should be 5 min chart. Let the maarket breath the longer the timeframe the more technical it becomes specially timframes like 60 min or 15 min. You get fewer possibilities but i think they might be more tehcinal and they can let you think in contrast to a 1 min chart when sometimes the spikes kill you and make your broker happy. Do what gives you money not what exites you. What is your strategy ? i can send you some chart with one min trades in mini sp and FX. and others with longer timeframe and you can see some differences. I love scalping since it give you "instant" money but think twice because i think i might end up doing more money with a longer timframe. And not getting stop out a zillion times by spikes and not a trend reversal for example

Daniel
Dallas, let me suggest something that might help. First, and fyi, I trade the NQ, and make consistently wonderful profits. I also have 58 years experience in these markets.
First find your favorite oscillator. Plot the heiken ashi candles on your chart. Wait to get a bullish or bearish candle. The bullish will have a wick at the top, and the bearish at the bottom. Now check out your oscillator. If it is in positive territory (or over 50), and there's a bullish candle, enter long. If it is in negative territory (or under 50), enter short. Set your stop at the peak of the recent red candle, or the low of the recent bear candle, or the recent dip or peak.
 
Scalping trading does provide the advantage that traders can see profit and loss results in a short time, but it may distort emotional control when facing consecutive losses, this may be more dangerous when traders lose control. However, if traders can be disciplined with the risk-reward ratio, and wait for trading momentum, the results can be better. Choosing a low-spread instrument with a high daily average provides more benefits for traders
 
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