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Jerry gives us another of his humourous, educated article on chart patterns using the CCI.
We as traders have been looking for the "Holy Grail" for a lifetime. I doubt there is one folks. But all thru my 65 years on this planet I certainly have tried every known indicator, oscillator, etc to get to that Holy Grail. Well I can tell you all I think I found the Holy part of that statement in the momentum indicator the Commodity Channel Index, CCI for short.
Many traders swear by the Macd, Stoch, Rsi, Obv and on and on. The CCI with a 20 moving average (20) is the best leading momentum indicator I have ever used in my trading life. I will include a series of charts depicting the way I use CCI in the exciting world of daytrading which I do for a living. It takes a monumental amount of testing and backtesting anything we traders try for the first time. I learned of this from a spoos (futures) trader in my real time room 4-5 years ago. He showed me in my real time trading room how to use...

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Nice Article Jerry,
Very clear clear examples of what to look for, and what comes next.. Since all your examples were successful, I thought it might be nice for folks to see what happens when the trade doesn't leap away into the green. I've found that CCI often gives false signals at the start of a new trend after a consolidation.

The first image shows the classic bullish divergence with volume spike. You can't tell it from looking at pictures in hindsight, but the CCI wobbles up and down during the bar formation. So The green line represents an entry after the close of the bar. Until that bar closes, you can't really be sure that it makes the tip of the higher CCI low while price is making actual lower low. The next few bars lift and a profitable trade appears to be under way. So far, so good.

The second image shows 3 different kinds of warning signals that can help you be clear that it is time to exit. The new trend is expanding in strength. CCI divergences that fail, are often excellent opportunities to stop/reverse because the CCI divergence is such a well known entry. There is often a wonderful little cluster of stops just below price's lowest swing low.

JO
 

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eurotrader52

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Typical "hindsight" textbook article on a classic divergence. I would have liked to see which signals DID NOT indicate actual continuation of moves in the direction of the prevailing trend. Looks like a large number of charts were perused during the creation of the article and "classic" patterns were located, highlighted and expounded upon. False divergences or momentum that has not changed enough to produce major price change (sideways moves) which often result from such "signals" were not mentioned. "Easy" trades were not proven to be easy in real trading time. I would also practice with other indicators such as momentum and Williams%R, etc. Nice attempt though!
 
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Mr. Charts

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Nice article Jerry and everyone should appreciate the time and effort that goes into writing these articles - I know having written some for K Lab myself.
There are some splendid posts on this site about trading without indicators.
For me personally the patterns must represent trading sentiment / activity and indicators then become virtually redundant once you can read the sentiment and patterns - but we are all different, so respect to you, Jerry.
Very good post, JumpOff. You really ought to write some articles for K Lab.
Richard
 
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samtron

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Excellent article Jerry thanks for the time and effort.

The only comment I would make is that most of us can talk the talk (thats the easy part) but only few are able to then walk the walk.

(please note this is not meant to detract from Jerry or his excellent article but is just a general comment about trading and trading theory).


Excellent post JO cheers!


good luck
 
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Jerry Olson

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JumpOff said:
Nice Article Jerry,
Very clear clear examples of what to look for, and what comes next.. Since all your examples were successful, I thought it might be nice for folks to see what happens when the trade doesn't leap away into the green. I've found that CCI often gives false signals at the start of a new trend after a consolidation.

The first image shows the classic bullish divergence with volume spike. You can't tell it from looking at pictures in hindsight, but the CCI wobbles up and down during the bar formation. So The green line represents an entry after the close of the bar. Until that bar closes, you can't really be sure that it makes the tip of the higher CCI low while price is making actual lower low. The next few bars lift and a profitable trade appears to be under way. So far, so good.

The second image shows 3 different kinds of warning signals that can help you be clear that it is time to exit. The new trend is expanding in strength. CCI divergences that fail, are often excellent opportunities to stop/reverse because the CCI divergence is such a well known entry. There is often a wonderful little cluster of stops just below price's lowest swing low.

JO

Hi Jump Off

Both examples of your charts are exactly my point! When the CCI bottomed out in the first chart on that hig volume spike, what i call a "Tell", sort of like in Texas Hold Em,'.... :rolleyes: That would have been my entry area. As we can see on your chart it was the perfect spot to go long and make that trade proftable.

The second part of the same chart show what good traders can "see" when taking the same trade again about 1/2 an hour later. Same pattern same results. The use of any group of indicators on any chart makes for interpretation of that picture in the eye's of the beholder. That price low 30 minutes later along with that bullish divergence on the CCI just made for another nice entry on what i percieve as a picture perfect trade.

Of course none of these set ups work all the tine as we both know. I am always watching all throughout the day the S&P futures side by side with my stock charts to keep me abreast of what the market looks like at the moment i want to enter any trade.

But for the most part these set ups, for me anyway ,are the best of the best for scalping intraday.

Thanks for the comments they are appreciated

best regards

jerry
 

Jerry Olson

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Mr. Charts said:
Nice article Jerry and everyone should appreciate the time and effort that goes into writing these articles - I know having written some for K Lab myself.
There are some splendid posts on this site about trading without indicators.
For me personally the patterns must represent trading sentiment / activity and indicators then become virtually redundant once you can read the sentiment and patterns - but we are all different, so respect to you, Jerry.
Very good post, JumpOff. You really ought to write some articles for K Lab.
Richard

HI there Mr. Charts

I fully agree the articles posted on the KLab are good tools and tactics for all traders in all time frames. I think the use of CCI or any other indicators really depends on ones "trust" of that indicator. In other words there are a myriad of other indicators that traders use that certainly are just as good as the CCI.

However for me and the way i scalp i find it the best short term indicator out there. I not only do i trust it, i use it............ :D

good to hear from you, and i have heard wonderful things about you and your charting prowess, kudo's to you.

have a nice weekend
 

Jerry Olson

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eurotrader52 said:
Typical "hindesight" textbook article on a classic divergence. I would have liked to see which signals DID NOT indicated actual continuation of moves in the direction of the prevailing trend. Looks like a large number of charts were perused during the creation of the article and "classic" patterns were located, highlighted and expounded upon. False divergences or momentum that has not changed enough to produce major price change (sideways moves) which often result from such "signals" were not mentioned. "Easy" trades were not proven to be easy in real trading time. I would also practice with other indicators such as momentum and Williams' %R, etc. Nice attempt though!

Morning Eurotrader

CCI is a momentum indicator and not a"hindsight" tool. You cannot use it stand alone. You need some "other" parts to help you make that trade long or short. Many times these trades do not work for various reasons, but that's why we advocate using hard stop loss orders and not "mental ones" on all trades.

When you assess the potential of entering any trade in my humble opinion it has to be with one eye on the futures. We watch and call the e-mini s&p futures ES-M6 all day long live as we go thru the day. When a set up presents itself i think it prudent for any good trader to quickly check if the current trend is moving with you in that trade.

So for all intents and purposes these articles, and redundant chart patterns happen repeatedly because of internals that align properly during the day/ Nothing works 100% pf the time. Stops help.

So to sum ths up it simply means to take that trade if you trust the indicators, use stops, and approximately 60-70% of the time that trade will work.

thank you for the comments

best to you

jerry
 

Jerry Olson

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samtron said:
Excellent article Jerry thanks for the time and effort.

The only comment I would make is that most of us can talk the talk (thats the easy part) but only few are able to then walk the walk.

(please note this is not meant to detract from Jerry or his excellent article but is just a general comment about trading and trading theory).


Excellent post JO cheers!


good luck

Hey Samtron

well unless and until traders bite the bullet and get their feet wet one will never know if anything works or not................... :cheesy:

Best thing for any newbie or any trader is to try it out as the opportunity presents itself. Use small shares and use stops.

this works Samtron

have a good one
 

Mr. Charts

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Jerry Olson said:
HI there Mr. Charts

I fully agree the articles posted on the KLab are good tools and tactics for all traders in all time frames. I think the use of CCI or any other indicators really depends on ones "trust" of that indicator. In other words there are a myriad of other indicators that traders use that certainly are just as good as the CCI.

However for me and the way i scalp i find it the best short term indicator out there. I not only do i trust it, i use it............ :D

good to hear from you, and i have heard wonderful things about you and your charting prowess, kudo's to you.

have a nice weekend

Hello Jerry,
Thanks for your kind words.
I agree totally with you that whatever works, works and that is really all that matters. We all find our own edges and no edge is superior to another as long as it works for us as individuals.
I know that a few of the people I have trained trialled your chat room for a couple of weeks and I have been told what a good guy you are, hard working, genuine and full of enthusiasm; but that is very evident from your postings ;-)
Good trading and a happy life to you, sir,
Richard
 

Jerry Olson

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Mr. Charts said:
Hello Jerry,
Thanks for your kind words.
I agree totally with you that whatever works, works and that is really all that matters. We all find our own edges and no edge is superior to another as long as it works for us as individuals.
I know that a few of the people I have trained trialled your chat room for a couple of weeks and I have been told what a good guy you are, hard working, genuine and full of enthusiasm; but that is very evident from your postings ;-)
Good trading and a happy life to you, sir,
Richard

Hi Richard

happy they enjoyed the room atmosphere. we do try very hard to keep things in order. Meaning to get the hell out of the trade with a profit.............. :cheesy: Sell too soon and all that good stuff

it's so very hard to hand hold while calling trades live but we try to do the best we can. We do not always win, but i seem to be profitable week to week, so that does pay the bills...

anyway it seems to me we are on the same wavelength here trying to help others make a buck or two.

Thinking we are coming down very fast to a tradeable bottom soon.

we shall see however, as Mrs Market seems a bit peeved right now.............. :rolleyes:

best regards and have a drink on me please....
 
 
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