Options Successfull Traders

FSA regulations state that your investment objectives have to be taken into account and your appetite for risk (Low, Medium or High Risk). Mine was to get a low risk startegies/investment.

If i opted out i would of been a intermediate customer, i was a private client which means i should be given the most protection as i was deemed a novice.

Take for example Sucden, they will only take 20% of a customers net worth. Or if you can take Saxo suitability test, I am came out to be a conservative investor.

Suitability Test

Don't get me wrong i would of agreed with you if i wanted to make huge profits and take High Risks, however i wanted to make a small percentage return over a 1 year period, without the risk of big losses.
 
fiar enough-as i said i didn't know what your suitability criteria were.......

shorting vol over that period is questionable for any investment procedure!!
 
shorting vol over that period is questionable for any investment procedure!! - Could you explain?
 
you know what a strangle is right? (assuming form your own resaearch) well it is a bet that whatever security will trade in a given price range before expiry of that product, or that volatility will decrease and you can close for a profit (check out front page article of T2W). if you look at the VIX index for this period compared to historical there is 1 dip in vol and 3 spikes,and given the market turmoil any short vol strategy would be questionable-obviously this is dependent on what securtiy and when ot was executed, and indeed the reasoning.
 
I was advised to trade GBP/Dollar, Euro/Dollar, Crude oil, and FTSE Indicies and some FTSE stocks. Very hard to understand the options game. I have just learnt a little more from you, however it still does not make much sense. I realise that a strangle is now, but not when i took the product back last year.
 
with all due respect if you didn't/don't understand options then why did you let him trade them?

guess that is for the ombudsman o decide.
 
Because i'm an idiot, who believed what he said. The compliance department at ODL said they interviewed Frank Freeman. They (compliance department) replied to me saying "you advised the team you did not understand options but you had read books on the subject". I did tell them i did not understand options before buying the product and i had NEVER read books on the subject.

The Ombudsman phoned me saying they would like to see my past experience. This included CFD on FTSE 100 stocks without margin.
 
Thank-you. I would expect Pelzar did not know these facts before attacking me either. I have a feeling he may i thought i was an expert on the subject and knew what i was doing.
 
I wasn't attacking, I still feel you are wrong for posting on here!! My opinion hasnt changed mate!!!
 
Thanks and you are entitled to your opinion. However, this is a forum, i was just informing others about my experiences and may bring a little light to investors wishing to invest with Option brokers.

It is a very high risk investment if you do not understand how it works. i.e. i relied on recommendations without having the basic knowledge in the options market.

Are you a trader, do you have experiences with ODL and Frank Freeman?
 
loui10 said:
It is a very high risk investment if you do not understand how it works. i.e. i relied on recommendations without having the basic knowledge in the options market.

There is a very good chance that ODL made some explicit reference to this in their Terms - to put it bluntly, you accepted the risks without fully understanding them, which may be no fault of ODL.

However, comms of circa 50% of your balance does sound outrageous - I take it it is the comms. you are contesting with the ombudsman, rather than the trading losses? I would hazard a guess that this is all you have a chance of reclaiming - unless your account rocketed up to 300k first, in which case I would kiss the comms goodbye too.

Might not be what you want to hear, I'm afraid, but it's true.
 
I explicity adivised that i wanted a Low Risk startegies, it is the duty of the ODL to find out my appetite for risk, the onus is upon the advisor to make sure the product is suitable.

Regardless of any type of risk warning, you have to make sure the product is suitable before making any type of recommendation.

You should read the FSA rules on KYC (know your customer).

You may find the below interesting.

Securities Law - Suitability - Brokers Have to be Their Own Judge
 
If you could let me know what you understand when your advised that all trading startegies will be low risk and limited losses, by the following risk warning.?

Warrants and derivatives risk warning notice (E)

This notice is provided to you, as a private customer, in compliance with the rules of the Financial Services Authority (FSA). Private customers are afforded greater protections under these rules than other customers are and you should ensure that your firm tells you what this will mean to you. This notice cannot disclose all the risks and other significant aspects of warrants* and/or derivative* products such as futures*, options*, and contracts for differences* (* delete as appropriate). You should not deal in these products unless you understand their nature and the extent of your exposure to risk. You should also be satisfied that the product is suitable for you in the light of your circumstances and financial position. Certain strategies, such as a 'spread' position or a 'straddle', may be as risky as a simple 'long' or 'short' position.
Although warrants and/or derivative instruments can be utilised for the management of investment risk, some of these products are unsuitable for many investors. Different instruments involve different levels of exposure to risk and in deciding whether to trade in such instruments you should be aware of the following points. (Include or delete as appropriate).
1. Warrants
A warrant is a time-limited right to subscribe for shares, debentures, loan stock or government securities and is exercisable against the original issuer of the underlying securities. A relatively small movement in the price of the underlying security results in a disproportionately large movement, unfavourable or favourable, in the price of the warrant. The prices of warrants can therefore be volatile.
It is essential for anyone who is considering purchasing warrants to understand that the right to subscribe which a warrant confers is invariably limited in time with the consequence that if the investor fails to exercise this right within the predetermined time-scale then the investment becomes worthless.
You should not buy a warrant unless you are prepared to sustain a total loss of the money you have invested plus any commission or other transaction charges.
2. Off-exchange warrant transactions
Transactions in off-exchange warrants may involve greater risk than dealing in exchange traded warrants because there is no exchange market through which to liquidate your position, or to assess the value of the warrant or the exposure to risk. Bid and offer prices need not be quoted, and even where they are, they will be established by dealers in these instruments and consequently it may be difficult to establish what is a fair price.
Your firm must make it clear to you if you are entering into an off-exchange transaction and advise you of any risks involved.
3. Securitised derivatives
These instruments may give you [a time-limited right (Note 1)] [an absolute right (Note 2)] to acquire or sell one or more types of investment which is normally exercisable against someone other than the issuer of that investment. Or they may give you rights under a contract for differences which allow for speculation on fluctuations in the value of the property of any description or an index, such as the FTSE 100 index. In both cases, the investment or property may be referred to as the "underlying instrument".
These instruments often involve a high degree of gearing or leverage, so that a relatively small movement in the price of the underlying investment results in a much larger movement, unfavourable or favourable, in the price of the instrument. The price of these instruments can therefore be volatile.
These instruments have a limited life, and may (unless there is some form of guaranteed return to the amount you are investing in the product) expire worthless if the underlying instrument does not perform as expected.
You should only buy this product if you are prepared to sustain a [total loss (Note 3)] [substantial loss (Note 4)] [loss (Note 5)] of the money you have invested plus any commission or other transaction charges.
You should consider carefully whether or not this product is suitable for you in light of your circumstances and financial position, and if in any doubt please seek professional advice.
Notes (these notes are not part of the notice):
1 Use for instruments such as covered warrants where there is some form of exercise required by the investor.
2 Use for instruments such as linked notes, or some certificates where there is no form of exercise required by the investor.
3 Use for instruments such as covered warrants where the return payable to the investor is totally dependant upon the performance of the underlying instrument/s to which the product is linked and there is not another form of payment due to the investor (for example the repayment of capital).
4 Use for instruments such as linked notes where there is a form of return paid to the investor irrespective of the performance of the underlying instrument/s to which the product is linked, but the return is low.
5 Use for instruments such as linked notes where there is a form of return paid to the investor irrespective of the performance of the underlying instrument/s to which the product is linked, but the return is high but less than 100% of the amount paid for the product.
4. Futures
Transactions in futures involve the obligation to make, or to take, delivery of the underlying asset of the contract at a future date, or in some cases to settle the position with cash. They carry a high degree of risk. The 'gearing' or 'leverage' often obtainable in futures trading means that a small deposit or down payment can lead to large losses as well as gains. It also means that a relatively small movement can lead to a proportionately much larger movement in the value of your investment, and this can work against you as well as for you. Futures transactions have a contingent liability, and you should be aware of the implications of this, in particular the margining requirements, which are set out in paragraph 9.
5. Options
There are many different types of options with different characteristics subject to the following conditions.
Buying options:
Buying options involves less risk than selling options because, if the price of the underlying asset moves against you, you can simply allow the option to lapse. The maximum loss is limited to the premium, plus any commission or other transaction charges. However, if you buy a call option on a futures contract and you later exercise the option, you will acquire the future. This will expose you to the risks described under 'futures' and 'contingent liability investment transactions'.
Writing options:
If you write an option, the risk involved is considerably greater than buying options. You may be liable for margin to maintain your position and a loss may be sustained well in excess of the premium received. By writing an option, you accept a legal obligation to purchase or sell the underlying asset if the option is exercised against you, however far the market price has moved away from the exercise price. If you already own the underlying asset which you have contracted to sell (when the options will be known as 'covered call options') the risk is reduced. If you do not own the underlying asset ('uncovered call options') the risk can be unlimited. Only experienced persons should contemplate writing uncovered options, and then only after securing full details of the applicable conditions and potential risk exposure.
Traditional options:
Certain London Stock Exchange member firms under special exchange rules write a particular type of option called a 'traditional option'. These may involve greater risk than other options. Two-way prices are not usually quoted and there is no exchange market on which to close out an open position or to effect an equal and opposite transaction to reverse an open position. It may be difficult to assess its value or for the seller of such an option to manage his exposure to risk.
Certain options markets operate on a margined basis, under which buyers do not pay the full premium on their option at the time they purchase it. In this situation you may subsequently be called upon to pay margin on the option up to the level of your premium. If you fail to do so as required, your position may be closed or liquidated in the same way as a futures position.
6. Contracts for differences
Futures and options contracts can also be referred to as contracts for differences. These can be options and futures on the FTSE 100 index or any other index, as well as currency and interest rate swaps. However, unlike other futures and options, these contracts can only be settled in cash. Investing in a contract for differences carries the same risks as investing in a future or an option and you should be aware of these as set out in paragraphs 4 and 5 respectively. Transactions in contracts for differences may also have a contingent liability and you should be aware of the implications of this as set out in paragraph 9.
7. Off-exchange transactions in derivatives
It may not always be apparent whether or not a particular derivative is arranged on exchange or in an off-exchange derivative transaction. Your firm must make it clear to you if you are entering into an off-exchange derivative transaction.
While some off-exchange markets are highly liquid, transactions in off-exchange or 'non transferable' derivatives may involve greater risk than investing in on-exchange derivatives because there is no exchange market on which to close out an open position. It may be impossible to liquidate an existing position, to assess the value of the position arising from an off-exchange transaction or to assess the exposure to risk. Bid prices and offer prices need not be quoted, and, even where they are, they will be established by dealers in these instruments and consequently it may be difficult to establish what is a fair price.
8. Foreign markets
Foreign markets will involve different risks from the UK markets. In some cases the risks will be greater. On request, your firm must provide an explanation of the relevant risks and protections (if any) which will operate in any foreign markets, including the extent to which it will accept liability for any default of a foreign firm through whom it deals. The potential for profit or loss from transactions on foreign markets or in foreign denominated contracts will be affected by fluctuations in foreign exchange rates.
9. Contingent liability investment transactions
Contingent liability investment transactions, which are margined, require you to make a series of payments against the purchase price, instead of paying the whole purchase price immediately.
If you trade in futures contracts for differences or sell options, you may sustain a total loss of the margin you deposit with your firm to establish or maintain a position. If the market moves against you, you may be called upon to pay substantial additional margin at short notice to maintain the position. If you fail to do so within the time required, your position may be liquidated at a loss and you will be responsible for the resulting deficit.
Even if a transaction is not margined, it may still carry an obligation to make further payments in certain circumstances over and above any amount paid when you entered the contract.
Save as specifically provided by the FSA, your firm may only carry out margined or contingent liability transactions with or for you if they are traded on or under the rules of a recognised or designated investment exchange. Contingent liability investment transactions which are not so traded may expose you to substantially greater risks.
10. Limited liability transactions
Before entering into a limited liability transaction, you should obtain from your firm or the firm with whom you are dealing a formal written statement confirming that the extent of your loss liability on each transaction will be limited to an amount agreed by you before you enter into the transaction.
The amount you can lose in limited liability transactions will be less than in other margined transactions, which have no predetermined loss limit. Nevertheless, even though the extent of loss will be subject to the agreed limit, you may sustain the loss in a relatively short time. Your loss may be limited, but the risk of sustaining a total loss to the amount agreed is substantial.
11. Collateral
If you deposit collateral as security with your firm, the way in which it will be treated will vary according to the type of transaction and where it is traded. There could be significant differences in the treatment of your collateral depending on whether you are trading on a recognised or designated investment exchange, with the rules of that exchange (and the associated clearing house) applying, or trading off-exchange. Deposited collateral may lose its identity as your property once dealings on your behalf are undertaken. Even if your dealings should ultimately prove profitable, you may not get back the same assets which you deposited, and may have to accept payment in cash. You should ascertain from your firm how your collateral will be dealt with.
12. Commissions
Before you begin to trade, you should obtain details of all commissions and other charges for which you will be liable. If any charges are not expressed in money terms (but, for example, as a percentage of contract value), you should obtain a clear and written explanation, including appropriate examples, to establish what such charges are likely to mean in specific money terms. In the case of futures, when commission is charged as a percentage, it will normally be as a percentage of the total contract value, and not simply as a percentage of your initial payment.
13. Suspensions of trading
Under certain trading conditions it may be difficult or impossible to liquidate a position. This may occur, for example, at times of rapid price movement if the price rises or falls in one trading session to such an extent that under the rules of the relevant exchange trading is suspended or restricted. Placing a stop-loss order will not necessarily limit your losses to the intended amounts, because market conditions may make it impossible to execute such an order at the stipulated price.
14. Clearing house protections
On many exchanges, the performance of a transaction by your firm (or third party with whom he is dealing on your behalf) is 'guaranteed' by the exchange or clearing house. However, this guarantee is unlikely in most circumstances to cover you, the customer, and may not protect you if your firm or another party defaults on its obligations to you. On request, your firm must explain any protection provided to you under the clearing guarantee applicable to any on-exchange derivatives in which you are dealing. There is no clearing house for traditional options, nor normally for off-exchange instruments which are not traded under the rules of a recognised or designated investment exchange.
15. Insolvency
Your firm's insolvency or default, or that of any other brokers involved with your transaction, may lead to positions being liquidated or closed out without your consent. In certain circumstances, you may not get back the actual assets which you lodged as collateral and you may have to accept any available payments in cash. On request, your firm must provide an explanation of the extent to which it will accept liability for any insolvency of, or default by, other firms involved with your transactions.
[name of firm]
[on duplicate for signature by private customer]
I/We have read and understood the risk warning set out above.
Date
[Signature of the customer]
[Signature of joint account holder]
Note to firms
Paragraphs 1-15 may be deleted when they relate to particular kinds of business which will not be carried out with or for the customer.
This notice may be incorporated as part of a two-way customer agreement, but the customer must sign separately that he has read and understood the risk warnings.1
 
This is a financial forum
True
. . . where anything can be discussed
False, that's down to the mods. The internet is NOT a democracy.
. . . and we live in a democracy
hmmmmm . . .
. . . where we have freedom of speech.
subject to the laws of slander etc and depending on how expensive a brief you can afford
You seem to not want me to have my say!!!
Why didn't you simply start your own thread about this rather than spamming all option threads.
 
I'm inclined ot agree that machine-gunning around the forum isn't helping anybody.

Interesting point from Mr Gecko-did you show any profit on your trades?
 
MrGecko - Very informative stuff. I'm just wondering what are your qualifications to make you think that what your are saying is infact true?
 
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