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leverage is the problem, fiat currency printing is used to create large amounts of inflation to try and wipe out the bad debts from leverage.
if all products and services were paid for with cash their would be no bad debts, their would be very little need to print money except to create a bit of inflation. as i have stated before the cost of leverage is what is making a mess of the world economy.most currency printing happens when we have a crisis, all caused by leverage.

Debts only become a real problem when the Government interferes with the free market and starts guaranteeing loans. When that happens the moral hazard is introduced resulting in risk control and lending standards being thrown out the window.
 
Debts only become a real problem when the Government interferes with the free market and starts guaranteeing loans. When that happens the moral hazard is introduced resulting in risk control and lending standards being thrown out the window.

Rubbish.

The government stepped in and bailed out the banks after Bear Sterns and Lehman's went down the chute. Including UK with Northern Rock.

Bear Sterns and Lehman's did not go down the chute because Fed guaranteed bank loans.
 
FANNIE/FREDDIE BAILOUT BALONEY

By GERALD P. O'DRISCOLL JR

Last Updated: 4:13 AM, September 9, 2008

FANNIE/FREDDIE BAILOUT BALONEY - NYPOST.com


Because the government was universally believed to guarantee their debt, Fannie and Freddie could borrow at better rates than true private-sector firms - and accumulate far greater risks. The politicians and regulators that should've reined them in did not - because the giants bought influence, and because of their apple-pie image as "promoting homeownership."
 


What are you saying NT. Your lack of intelligence and ability to analyse and apply economics is failing you again I see.

Fed stepped in after Bear Sterns and Lehmans went down the chute not because it bailed them out. They specifically did what you suggest.

Can you not see your own policy recommendation in action. You are obviously in denial and have no integrity to face the truth. Back to your pasting links to prove you are right with no context or coherence to time line of events.

Freddie Mae and Mac would have followed the same path as all the other banks if the Socialist come Communist state bail - nationalisation of these banks in net effect did not occur.

Many other banks like Goldman Sachs and yes JP Morgan would have followed the bankruptcy if the Fed did not pump liquidity into the markets. Pretty much what Europe is facing now.

No bank can survive any bank run. Because of the fraction system and that they borrow short term and lend long.


Moreover with highly derivative leveraged products they don't know what risks or quantity of exposure they face. Reason why there is no clarity on banks exposure to market risk is because they don't know them selves.


You blundering fool... :cheesy:
 
From 2003:

In recent months, the nation's two largest mortgage finance lenders have come under increasing scrutiny at the hands of Congress, the Justice Department and the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). The Federal National Mortgage Association, nicknamed Fannie Mae, and the Federal Home Mortgage Corporation, nicknamed Freddie Mac, have operated since 1968 as government sponsored enterprises (GSEs). This means that, although the two companies are privately owned and operated by shareholders, they are protected financially by the support of the Federal Government. These government protections include access to a line of credit through the U.S. Treasury, exemption from state and local income taxes and exemption from SEC oversight. A recent accounting scandal at Freddie Mac that resulted in the replacement of three of the company's top executives has led to mounting concerns over the privileged status these GSEs enjoy in the marketplace.

Fannie Mae was created in 1938 as part of Franklin Delano Roosevelt's New Deal. The collapse of the national housing market in the wake of the Great Depression discouraged private lenders from investing in home loans. Fannie Mae was established in order to provide local banks with federal money to finance home mortgages in an attempt to raise levels of home ownership and the availability of affordable housing.

Initially, Fannie Mae operated like a national savings and loan, allowing local banks to charge low interest rates on mortgages for the benefit of the home buyer. This lead to the development of what is now known as the secondary mortgage market. Within the secondary mortgage market, companies such as Fannie Mae are able to borrow money from foreign investors at low interest rates because of the financial support that they receive from the U.S. Government. It is this ability to borrow at low rates that allows Fannie Mae to provide fixed interest rate mortgages with low down payments to home buyers. Fannie Mae makes a profit from the difference between the interest rates homeowners pay and foreign lenders charge.

For the first thirty years following its inception, Fannie Mae held a veritable monopoly over the secondary mortgage market. In 1968, due to fiscal pressures created by the Vietnam War, Lyndon B. Johnson privatized Fannie Mae in order to remove it from the national budget. At this point, Fannie Mae began operating as a GSE, generating profits for stock holders while enjoying the benefits of exemption from taxation and oversight as well as implied government backing. In order to prevent any further monopolization of the market, a second GSE known as Freddie Mac was created in 1970. Currently, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac control about 90 percent of the nation's secondary mortgage market.

GSEs such as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mae, with their combination of private enterprise and public backing have experienced a period of unprecedented financial growth over the past few decades. The current assets of these two companies combine for a total that is 45 percent greater than that of the nation's largest bank.



On the other hand, their combined debt is equal to 46 percent of the current national debt. It is this combination of rapid growth and over leveraging that has lead to the current concerns of Congress, the Justice Department and the SEC with regards to the financial practices of these GSEs.

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the only two Fortune 500 companies that are not required to inform the public about any financial difficulties that they may be having. In the event that there was some sort of financial collapse within either of these companies, U.S. taxpayers could be held responsible for hundreds of billions of dollars in outstanding debts. A recent investigation by the Justice Department and the SEC into the accounting practices at Freddie Mac revealed accounting errors in the amount of 4.5 to 4.7 billion dollars and resulted in the termination of three of the company's top executives. Ongoing investigations by Congress, particular the House Finance Services subcommittee that oversees the activity of GSEs, will determine the future role of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the secondary mortgage market that they dominate
 
FANNIE/FREDDIE BAILOUT BALONEY

By GERALD P. O'DRISCOLL JR

Last Updated: 4:13 AM, September 9, 2008

FANNIE/FREDDIE BAILOUT BALONEY - NYPOST.com


Because the government was universally believed to guarantee their debt, Fannie and Freddie could borrow at better rates than true private-sector firms - and accumulate far greater risks. The politicians and regulators that should've reined them in did not - because the giants bought influence, and because of their apple-pie image as "promoting homeownership."


This was after BS failure you plonker. Bear Stearns - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


If the Fed didn't act you would be kicking tin cans down the road with your hands in your pocket.


FFS grow up and call a spade a spade.
 
From 2003:

In recent months, the nation's two largest mortgage finance lenders have come under increasing scrutiny at the hands of Congress, the Justice Department and the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). The Federal National Mortgage Association, nicknamed Fannie Mae, and the Federal Home Mortgage Corporation, nicknamed Freddie Mac, have operated since 1968 as government sponsored enterprises (GSEs). This means that, although the two companies are privately owned and operated by shareholders, they are protected financially by the support of the Federal Government. These government protections include access to a line of credit through the U.S. Treasury, exemption from state and local income taxes and exemption from SEC oversight. A recent accounting scandal at Freddie Mac that resulted in the replacement of three of the company's top executives has led to mounting concerns over the privileged status these GSEs enjoy in the marketplace.

Fannie Mae was created in 1938 as part of Franklin Delano Roosevelt's New Deal. The collapse of the national housing market in the wake of the Great Depression discouraged private lenders from investing in home loans. Fannie Mae was established in order to provide local banks with federal money to finance home mortgages in an attempt to raise levels of home ownership and the availability of affordable housing.

Initially, Fannie Mae operated like a national savings and loan, allowing local banks to charge low interest rates on mortgages for the benefit of the home buyer. This lead to the development of what is now known as the secondary mortgage market. Within the secondary mortgage market, companies such as Fannie Mae are able to borrow money from foreign investors at low interest rates because of the financial support that they receive from the U.S. Government. It is this ability to borrow at low rates that allows Fannie Mae to provide fixed interest rate mortgages with low down payments to home buyers. Fannie Mae makes a profit from the difference between the interest rates homeowners pay and foreign lenders charge.

For the first thirty years following its inception, Fannie Mae held a veritable monopoly over the secondary mortgage market. In 1968, due to fiscal pressures created by the Vietnam War, Lyndon B. Johnson privatized Fannie Mae in order to remove it from the national budget. At this point, Fannie Mae began operating as a GSE, generating profits for stock holders while enjoying the benefits of exemption from taxation and oversight as well as implied government backing. In order to prevent any further monopolization of the market, a second GSE known as Freddie Mac was created in 1970. Currently, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac control about 90 percent of the nation's secondary mortgage market.

GSEs such as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mae, with their combination of private enterprise and public backing have experienced a period of unprecedented financial growth over the past few decades. The current assets of these two companies combine for a total that is 45 percent greater than that of the nation's largest bank.



On the other hand, their combined debt is equal to 46 percent of the current national debt. It is this combination of rapid growth and over leveraging that has lead to the current concerns of Congress, the Justice Department and the SEC with regards to the financial practices of these GSEs.

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the only two Fortune 500 companies that are not required to inform the public about any financial difficulties that they may be having. In the event that there was some sort of financial collapse within either of these companies, U.S. taxpayers could be held responsible for hundreds of billions of dollars in outstanding debts. A recent investigation by the Justice Department and the SEC into the accounting practices at Freddie Mac revealed accounting errors in the amount of 4.5 to 4.7 billion dollars and resulted in the termination of three of the company's top executives. Ongoing investigations by Congress, particular the House Finance Services subcommittee that oversees the activity of GSEs, will determine the future role of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the secondary mortgage market that they dominate


OMG - you are so clearly stupid lacking all comprehension and integrity.

That's it - you are on my ignore list.


Best regards,
 
When the world market excess labor capitalism profitable to buy at cheaper and less problems with unemployment and low skilled workers when they ask for more money, then enter by force socialism
 
it might be strange, but that does not make it wrong. it is the root cause of all our problems today. just because leverage is their, it does not mean you should max out on it, be it trading or life in general.
Right, so what you're trying to say is that "excessive leverage is the problem", rather than just "leverage is the problem"? Let's try to be precise, 'cause it does matter in this case.
 
Right, so what you're trying to say is that "excessive leverage is the problem", rather than just "leverage is the problem"? Let's try to be precise, 'cause it does matter in this case.

post 414 i did say less leverage all round.
bond holders, banks and governments have hundreds of billions of losses which they do not want to accept are theirs,they want the tax payer to pay for everything. don't be surprised if this goes on for another 5 to 10 years.
 
post 414 i did say less leverage all round.
bond holders, banks and governments have hundreds of billions of losses which they do not want to accept are theirs,they want the tax payer to pay for everything. don't be surprised if this goes on for another 5 to 10 years.
Yeah, I was referring to your post #416...
 
4 dribble posts and attention seeker troll wonders off to new pastures...

What a retard... :)
 
Attention seeker or attention defecit loser ?

No money, no friends, nothing to do waste of space.


Begging for charity on trader forums.

What is the world coming too?
 
Why not? It's only taxpayers money after all and more money can be squeezed from them at any time, that's the great thing about Fascism.(y)

Northern Rock sold 'for £400m loss' | UK news | The Guardian


Taxpayers are sitting on a potential £400 million loss after Northern Rock - the lender whose dramatic collapse signalled the start of the financial crisis - was sold to Sir Richard Branson's Virgin Money.
 
Why not? It's only taxpayers money after all and more money can be squeezed from them at any time, that's the great thing about Fascism.(y)

Northern Rock sold 'for £400m loss' | UK news | The Guardian


Taxpayers are sitting on a potential £400 million loss after Northern Rock - the lender whose dramatic collapse signalled the start of the financial crisis - was sold to Sir Richard Branson's Virgin Money.


Don't you think it's a bit ironic New Trader, that you've got Greenspan in your signature collection extolling the virtues of gold, when he was the worst culprit of currency debasement leading up to the mess we're in now!? Bernanke learnt everything he knew from A.G!
 
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