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FAQ Is Trading the Same as Gambling?

You are gambling that the edge continues to exist. I trade with an edge, but I classify myself as a gambler.

I would say that since you are taking a measured risk, rather than playing a game of chance, the term "speculation" is more apt than the term "gambling".

Of course opinions vary, and I am certainly not saying you are wrong and I am right :)
 
Life is what it is, all a gamble to some degree, all based on what we know, who we know etc.

Does not pay to get hung up about the definition of the word.

Many men/women spend their hard earned cash at Mr bookies everyday, yet the likes of McManus coin it in.

Both gamble/flutter/speculate/forecast/bet/play/risk/wager/engage on an outcome.

The difference is described above.

Of course, when an outcome is known in advance, then any definition should not be used, as this has nothing to do with the above.
 
Life is what it is, all a gamble to some degree, all based on what we know, who we know etc.

Does not pay to get hung up about the definition of the word.

Many men/women spend their hard earned cash at Mr bookies everyday, yet the likes of McManus coin it in.

Both gamble/flutter/speculate/forecast/bet/play/risk/wager/engage on an outcome.

The difference is described above.

Of course, when an outcome is known in advance, then any definition should not be used, as this has nothing to do with the above.

Everything has a thin line of difference and it all depends upon the way the trader handles them.
 
Bent betting shop tactics!
Regulators on two continents have noticed that too much trading in stocks takes place out of sight.
Tomorrow, European finance ministers plan to endorse legislation that would force transactions in privately owned venues known as dark pools into an organized trading system. Meanwhile in the U.S., the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority, the brokerage industry’s self-regulator, sent letters last month to 15 firms, seeking information on how they police their dark pools and what they disclose to customers.
The proliferation and growth of dark pools should concern anyone who buys or sells shares, not to mention workers whose retirement accounts hold stocks in mutual funds. Evidence is mounting that trading in dark pools increases the odds that buyers and sellers won’t easily find each other, so investors can lose out on the best possible prices.
The companies that own dark pools haven’t exactly made it easy to figure out what happens on their private trading systems: Credit Suisse Group AG, whose Crossfinder service is the biggest U.S. dark pool, in April stopped reporting the number of transactions it processes. About a dozen other dark pools already keep mum about their trading, and there is nothing to stop the rest from joining the silence. This would further obscure the transparency that has helped make American capital markets the most appealing in the world.
Dark pools arose in the 1980s when the Securities and Exchange Commission said brokers could bring together buyers and sellers to trade anonymously. Rather than routing customer orders to the traditional exchanges, brokers could send them to an outside trading service or execute orders on their own internal systems, pocketing the spreads on prices and trading fees. Today, as much as 40 percent of trading in U.S. equities takes place away from the public stock exchanges.
Explosive Growth
Not surprisingly, trading on dark pools and brokers’ internal trading systems has exploded in recent years. Most of the increase has come at the expense of U.S. stock exchanges, where volume has fallen more than 30 percent in the past three years, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. There even are signs that dark pools are picking up the business of small investors, based on research that shows the average dark-pool transaction involves just 200 shares.
To their credit, dark pools have forced the stock exchanges to be more competitive through technological innovation. But the growth of dark pools also reflects the higher operating and compliance costs of their heavily regulated exchange rivals, an obvious benefit for firms such as Goldman Sachs Group Inc., UBS AG and Barclays Plc, which own three of the five largest private trading services.
All this fragmentation means that buyers and sellers aren’t meeting in a central location where information is shared, endangering the price-discovery function on which efficient markets depend.
The SEC, however, doesn’t have the authority to oversee dark pools the way it does exchanges, which have public-utility-like obligations. Exchanges match supply and demand, make buy and sell quotes publicly available, post trading prices, and police their markets for fraud and insider trading.
Dark pools, by contrast, essentially piggyback, at minimal cost, on quotes set by the New York Stock Exchange (NYX), the Nasdaq Stock Market or the U.S.’s 11 other stock exchanges. The dark pools are under no obligation to provide data that the broad market uses for price discovery. What information they do make available tends to fail the fairness test: Price quotes are sometimes sent to select investors, giving them an unfair advantage. Regulators are also concerned that high-frequency traders are placing orders on the open exchanges in order to influence prices in dark pools to their advantage.
Public Service
If this were only a dispute between commercial interests, we could leave the exchanges to duke it out with the dark pools. The reality is that exchanges provide a public service. In the U.S., legislators recognized this in the 1930s, when the first laws governing exchanges and protecting investors were adopted. (Bloomberg LP, parent of Bloomberg News, owns a stake in a company, Bids Trading LP, which operates a dark pool.)
Although Europe’s regulators are pursuing one remedy, Canada might serve as a better model for the U.S. Last year, Canada required dark pools either to offer a superior price to that of the exchanges or to limit trading to large blocks of shares. Since then, buy-and-sell spreads have narrowed by 25 percent, and sharp price swings have declined.
Were the U.S. to adopt a price-improvement rule it might limit the ability of dark pools to leech off the quotes the exchanges generate at great expense.
Regulators should also consider restricting or banning the practice of sharing data with select clients, or require broad quote dissemination. Finra must also be more vigilant amid signs that dark pools have shared clues about customer trading intentions with proprietary traders working for the Wall Street firms that own some of the dark pools.
Dark pools aren’t going away. Regulators need to ensure that their further growth doesn’t cause unacceptable harm to U.S. financial markets.
To contact the Bloomberg View editorial board: [email protected].
 
to answer the OPs question, flip a coin...
H = No
T = Yes

....then double up.
 
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A lot of people would say yes, then again a lot of people would argue no they are nothing alike. With Shares I would say it is less like gambling but with CFDs you are picking a position and guessing which direction it is going to move in and by how much therefore gambling with your money because if it does move in the direction you guessed it would then you are quid’s in but if it moves in the opposite direction then you can lose money. My understanding of it all is very minimal but I think as long as you know the risks then you’ll be fine, it’s just like playing poker, some you win some you lose!
 
Trading is similar to gambling, but not the same. I really like the song 'The Gambler' by Kenny Rogers, because it shows some similarities between the two and the lyrics can be applied to traders as well.
 
Gambling / Trading / Betting / Speculating is all semantics ...........and the sooner online trading and spreadbetting is legalised in the US and other places the sooner a lot of bootleggers can come out of the closet ..........

N
 
Gambling / Trading / Betting / Speculating is all semantics ...........and the sooner online trading and spreadbetting is legalised in the US and other places the sooner a lot of bootleggers can come out of the closet ..........

N

Online trading is legal in the US! Online gambling/casinos and spreadbetting of any kind is not.

Just to clarify :)


Peter
 
I'd say it all depends of the personal goals and trading style. If you doing forex for living it is hard to gamble with that, but if you just enjoying the process and the money question is not on the table...well it could be some kind of a gambling
 
Is opening a coffee shop a bona fide business or a gamble?
This comment reminds me of one of my more colourful friends from my youth, a chap named Tim Haydock. He was a heavy drinker, gambler and writer. When I knew him, back in the mid 80s, he'd just had a book published on buried treasure, aptly entitled: 'Treasure Trove - Where to Find the Great Lost Treasures of the World'. What's this got to do with Purple Brain's post? You decide: this is the opening paragraph of the first chapter to the book . . .

"Treasure-hunting, like betting, has acquired a bad name. No matter that much of the economy is founded upon treasure-hunting and betting - for what else are oil and mineral speculation and investment in the stock market? The treasure-hunter is too often seen as no more than an obsessive dreamer, the professional gambler as a rogue, while the investor or the broker is regarded as staid and unadventurous. The one view is as misguided as the other. There have been many mad treasure-hunters and many reckless punters, just as there have been many dull businessmen, but theirs are not generally the success stories."

The bottom line is that it doesn't much matter whether you're treasure-hunting, gambling, trading or running a business. All of them entail a fair degree of risk and a lot of hard work, sprinkled with a generous helping of luck.
Tim.
 
The bottom line is that it doesn't much matter whether you're treasure-hunting, gambling, trading or running a business. All of them entail a fair degree of risk and a lot of hard work, sprinkled with a generous helping of luck.
Tim.
One of the most concise, cogent and comprehensive bottom lines I have ever seen.
 
Betting and trading is completely different from gambling .
In gambling the historical performance cannot affect outcome although people try to use statistics to predict the outcome.The money gambled are lost in case the prediction goes wrong and the prediction has an end.
Betting on the other side could be gambling if factors who affect the outcome are not taken into consideration at all or wrongly. Insider info are very important here and are part of the "factors" discussed above The problem with betting is that the money invested are lost in case the prediction goes wrong and the prediction has an end.
In trading you have 2 layers defined by the approach towards it.
-1st layer is the longer view approach ( 3+ months + dividends)
-2nd short view in and out in short horizon even with leverage (1 min -3 months)

In the 1st layer the capital(played amount) is not lost but reduced or increased
In the 2nd layer the capital (played amount) is under higher risk and could be lost in case of high leverage.

In all cases money and risk management techniques are needed with more positive effect in betting and trading.
 
noob here!In my opinion,gambling relies mainly in luck while forex relies on skills,knowledge and patience.
 
Is Trading the Same as Gambling?

For mathematicians it is the same, it is a minus-sum game.
Out of the 100 wealthies people on the planet, 20 are traders. They might object to being called gamblers after having earned their billions $.
 
I like to think of it like this. Gambling is a zero-sum game -- the player can only win at the expense of the house and vice-versa. Trading, on the other hand, value can be created without anyone losing (e.g. the price of a stock increasing).
 
Short answer: Maybe.
Long answer: No unless you're levered up buying penny stocks and junk bonds.

Combination of technical analysis with fundamental analysis to understand how/why the underlying will continue to appreciate into the future is not gambling. It's the same as asking if entrepreneurs or business owners are gambling by owning private corporate assets, there's a risk but it is calculated.

I made 100k flipping mobile homes one summer (it was calculated buy low sell high in another city). Sure it involved risk of buying but I wouldn't consider it gambling. Same thing running money, just don't do stuff like buy $TSLA at 220 on margin. (Don't pick up pennies in front of steam rollers). Just make relatively rational / conservative trades and treat investing in the market like going to a party with alcohol when you were a minor. Have a drink or two and get a buzz but don't pass out, get black out, or get caught when the cops come.
 
Trading can be the same as gambling if one makes it. Trading without a methodology that increases the probability of a trader achieving a win is gambling. One of the differences that trading has from gambling is that in gambling you don't have to pay to continue to play. You don't have to pay to get in and pay to get out of a gambling game but in trading you have transaction costs and an assortment of other fees that impact your account whenever you enter or exit the market. In trading you have the ability to increase the probability of a trade working out and then on top of that you are able to limit your risk while maximizing your reward. Repeating this process in a disciplined manner while using a sound strategy will produce profits.
 
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