Is capatalism failing?

:rolleyes: Atilla jumps on the house price issue again, quelle surprise. Matching your hopes to reality aint gonna work bud...but nice try all the same...;)

Speaking as one who dearly hopes house prices will fall drastically, I actually fear that Atilla (whose personal hopes I know nothing about) is correct here.

When the mainstream political parties and most if not all of the mainstream press routinely cheer rising house prices as "good news", I ask myself how can it be that what Atilla says would not be the case.
 
:rolleyes: Atilla jumps on the house price issue again, quelle surprise. Matching your hopes to reality aint gonna work bud...but nice try all the same...;)

It is not a matter of what I say or hope. :cool:

Look at what some BofE and leading economists are saying - including Blanchflower.

Where I would take the credit is the fact that it has been said on these bloggs - at the famous T2W website, along with a number of other esteemed fellow members, good while back as early as start of 2009. Before any other public figure head. We all know who those characters are :smart:

Think about it. Interest rates @ 0.5%. Inflation at 3.4%. House prices will rise by at least 5% or more this year. They have supposedly risen by 6% in the last year.


As for capitalism failing - without doubt it is.

People have so much more than ever! Better living standards, health and wealth.

But are they happy?

Broken families, alcholism & drugs, youth crime, unprecedented debt, aging popullation, pension crises. Unemployment - low paid employement... etc etc...

People are still encouraged to buy **** they don't need with money they don't have. There's capitalism for you.

We need a combination of social capitalism with a conscience.

I'm still optimistic about Con-Lib pact. That is where my hope is. However, I have been known to have voted for Thatcher and Blair in the past so I guess no one can be perfect... :cheesy:
 
Think about it. Interest rates @ 0.5%. Inflation at 3.4%. House prices will rise by at least 5% or more this year. They have supposedly risen by 6% in the last year.

I, honestly, don't know what is going to happen in the short/medium term. How many years does that cover, anyway. To many for me to worry about, I fear. I can't see how house prices can rise If unemployment keeps increasing,

I'm still optimistic about Con-Lib pact.

You still are? You long suffering individual :D
 
I, honestly, don't know what is going to happen in the short/medium term. How many years does that cover, anyway. To many for me to worry about, I fear. I can't see how house prices can rise If unemployment keeps increasing,



You still are? You long suffering individual :D

If I were you Splitlink, I would have no fear. I could almost a wager a bet you will at least see 7-10% inflation in your life-time. (y)

A week is a very long time in politics... :)
 
All true but for House Price crashes. House prices will double coupled with high levels of inflation to erode debt.

Savers will lose out and spenders gain. I fear we will have more of the same which will become the prescribed accepted solution.

:LOL:

keep dreaming.

hows that dollar decline you banged on about for a year against me in the hyperinflation thread?
 
:LOL:

keep dreaming.

hows that dollar decline you banged on about for a year against me in the hyperinflation thread?

The dollar has not strengthened. The Euro has weakened.

If I had to bet between the two - I would bet on the Euro recovering.

The reason for the decline of the Dollar is the twin defecits. No body is out of the woods yet. Don't be too hasty now...

Consider state of California - bigger than Greece's economy :rolleyes:
 
so the euro has weakened, but the dollar hasn't strengthened? interesting.. im sure many including the DXY would disagree a tad on that one.

your success rate in economic predication is nothing short of appalling.
 
It is not a matter of what I say or hope. :cool: I voted for Thatcher and Blair in the past so I guess no one can be perfect... :cheesy:

House prices is an economic area I specialise in, but I won't get boring and blind you with science, instead ask yourself why did house prices rise by up to 400% in the UK over the past decade? The answer is not "shortage of supply" :sleep: it was entirely due to cheap and readily available sub prime credit, backed by the MBS market, allowing ordinary dull folk to chase their dreams of becoming properdee milionaires..:rolleyes:

For you to quote, for example, the Daily Express, as a indicator of the fundamentals supporting house price inflation is absurd. The M.Media merely repeat ad nauseum the pr issued by; NAEA, Rightmove, HBOS etc.

At a stroke (and it will have given a few of them one) buy to let numpties were killed stone dead with the Lib Con 40% tax promise on Thurs/Fri. Given that the mortgage industry is now behaving akin to the rules of the 70's-80's house price inflation is dead for decades as that cheap credit will never come back in our lifetimes in the form it was peddled. Despite the base rate being 0.5% most new mortgage rates are 6% if you have a 10% deposit, that tells you were mortgage rates are headed once base rates increase to 3%.

House price inflation can only survive in an inflationary environment with relatively full employment opportunities and positive economic outlook, neither of which will be replicated for a decade or more as stagflation is baked in and the best we can hope for (in the UK) is 2 lost decades of Jap style stagflation.

According to the ONS 29% of UK adults are economically inactive, that's 8 million. 5.2 million rely on out of work benefits arguably indicating that the real level of unemployment is circa 18%, hardly the backdrop to inspire house purchase as an investment with other people's money which has now disappeared from the market place...want a buy to let mortgage? The rate is 5% and you need 25% deposit and proof that the rental will exceed the interest only mortgage payment, deader than dead...

Facts;

There were 10,000 repos in the first Q of 2010 despite all the support from lenders and govt assistance and the boom in sale and rent back...not good...

There are, according to Rightmove, 1,000,000 plus properties for sale at any given time, yet only 30-40K are being sold per month which is 100% down on the end of the hubris in Q3/4 2007.

The average house price is still 7-8 times single salary and generally *healthy* inflation can only be created with wage inflation as its catalyst, which will not happen given the client state employment sector will be benign for at least the term of this government. Prices are still 20% over their long term average vis a vis wages, a 20% further crash is inevitable and even this will not make property affordable so a further 40% cannot be ruled out...

TBH I could go on but I get bored with house prices as a subject, been there done that, made my cash and moved on. We only have 1 property each and a tiny mortgage. You're suffering from denial, I've seen it for years with property investors/speculators; I saw sight of a portfolio for sale the other day, guy reckoned it was worth 2 mill when in reality it was worth half that, "been good enough to fool the banks for years though eh?" Not any more...

Let go of this obsession of yours, you and the 2 million new landlords that bought into the nonsense over the past decade cannot stare the market up, any more than you can a 5 minute candle...;)
 
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House prices is an economic area I specialise in, but I won't get boring and blind you with science, instead ask yourself why did house prices rise by up to 400% in the UK over the past decade? The answer is not "shortage of supply" :sleep: it was entirely due to cheap and readily available sub prime credit, backed by the MBS market, allowing ordinary dull folk to chase their dreams of becoming properdee milionaires..:rolleyes:

For you to quote, for example, the Daily Express, as a indicator of the fundamentals supporting house price inflation is absurd. The M.Media merely repeat ad nauseum the pr issued by; NAEA, Rightmove, HBOS etc.

At a stroke (and it will have given a few of them one) buy to let numpties were killed stone dead with the Lib Con 40% tax promise on Thurs/Fri. Given that the mortgage industry is now behaving akin to the rules of the 70's-80's house price inflation is dead for decades as that cheap credit will never come back in our lifetimes in the form it was peddled. Despite the base rate being 0.5% most new mortgage rates are 6% if you have a 10% deposit, that tells you were mortgage rates are headed once base rates increase to 3%.

House price inflation can only survive in an inflationary environment with relatively full employment opportunities and positive economic outlook, neither of which will be replicated for a decade or more as stagflation is baked in and the best we can hope for (in the UK) is 2 lost decades of Jap style stagflation.

According to the ONS 29% of UK adults are economically inactive, that's 8 million. 5.2 million rely on out of work benefits arguably indicating that the real level of unemployment is circa 18%, hardly the backdrop to inpsire house purchase as an investment with other people's money which has now disappeard from the market place...want a buy to let mortgage? The rate is 5% and you need 25% deposit and proof that the rental will exceed the interest only mortgage payment, deader than dead...

Facts;

There were 10,000 repos in the first Q of 2010 desapite all the support from lenders and govt assitance and the boom in sale and rent back...not good...

There are, according to Rightmove, 1,000,000 plus properties for sale at any given time yet only 30-40K are being sold per month which is 100% down on the end of the hubris in Q3-4 2007.

The average house price is still 7-8 times single salary and generally *healthy* inflation can only be created with wage inflation as its catalyst, which will not happen given the client state emolyment sector will be benign for at least the term of this government. Prices are still 20% over there long term average vis a vis wages, a 20% further crash is inevitable and even this will not make property affordable so a further40% cannot be ruled out...

TBH I could go on but I get bored with house prices as a sdject, been there done that, made my cash and moved on. We only have 1 property each and a tiny mortgage. You're suffering from denial, I've seen it for years with property investors/speculators; I saw sight of a portfolio for sale the other day, guy reckoned it was worth 2 mill when in reality it was worth half that, "been good enough to fool the banks for years though eh?" Not any more...

Let go of this obsession of yours, you and the 2 million new landlords that bought into the nonsense over the past decade cannot stare the market up any more than you can a 5 minute candle...;)

I think you make a lot of good points there.
 
Capitalism is a philosophy. What we have nowadays in most Western countries is a mix of capitalism ideas with socialism. This is the problem. True capitalism never fails, it is the best system but it was never implemented by anyone, including the USA.
 
How do you figure AUD/USD then?

AUD has some pretty good fundamentals behind it I'd say, and yet the USD has pounded it into the ground.

Not exactly pounded! What time frame you referring to? Economic fundamentals take years with lags.

If you compare value with 2001 it is approx 90% up.

If you look at it from 2008 it is approx., 10% down.

0.70 is likely to be major resistance which only fundamentals will break.

How long will it take for the US economy to come up with new killer technologies and be able to compete in world markets again?
 
House prices is an economic area I specialise in, but I won't get boring and blind you with science, instead ask yourself why did house prices rise by up to 400% in the UK over the past decade? The answer is not "shortage of supply" :sleep: it was entirely due to cheap and readily available sub prime credit, backed by the MBS market, allowing ordinary dull folk to chase their dreams of becoming properdee milionaires..:rolleyes:

For you to quote, for example, the Daily Express, as a indicator of the fundamentals supporting house price inflation is absurd. The M.Media merely repeat ad nauseum the pr issued by; NAEA, Rightmove, HBOS etc.


At a stroke (and it will have given a few of them one) buy to let numpties were killed stone dead with the Lib Con 40% tax promise on Thurs/Fri. Given that the mortgage industry is now behaving akin to the rules of the 70's-80's house price inflation is dead for decades as that cheap credit will never come back in our lifetimes in the form it was peddled. Despite the base rate being 0.5% most new mortgage rates are 6% if you have a 10% deposit, that tells you were mortgage rates are headed once base rates increase to 3%.

House price inflation can only survive in an inflationary environment with relatively full employment opportunities and positive economic outlook, neither of which will be replicated for a decade or more as stagflation is baked in and the best we can hope for (in the UK) is 2 lost decades of Jap style stagflation.

According to the ONS 29% of UK adults are economically inactive, that's 8 million. 5.2 million rely on out of work benefits arguably indicating that the real level of unemployment is circa 18%, hardly the backdrop to inspire house purchase as an investment with other people's money which has now disappeared from the market place...want a buy to let mortgage? The rate is 5% and you need 25% deposit and proof that the rental will exceed the interest only mortgage payment, deader than dead...

Facts;

There were 10,000 repos in the first Q of 2010 despite all the support from lenders and govt assistance and the boom in sale and rent back...not good...

There are, according to Rightmove, 1,000,000 plus properties for sale at any given time, yet only 30-40K are being sold per month which is 100% down on the end of the hubris in Q3/4 2007.

The average house price is still 7-8 times single salary and generally *healthy* inflation can only be created with wage inflation as its catalyst, which will not happen given the client state emolyment sector will be benign for at least the term of this government. Prices are still 20% over there long term average vis a vis wages, a 20% further crash is inevitable and even this will not make property affordable so a further 40% cannot be ruled out...

TBH I could go on but I get bored with house prices as a sdject, been there done that, made my cash and moved on. We only have 1 property each and a tiny mortgage. You're suffering from denial, I've seen it for years with property investors/speculators; I saw sight of a portfolio for sale the other day, guy reckoned it was worth 2 mill when in reality it was worth half that, "been good enough to fool the banks for years though eh?" Not any more...

Let go of this obsession of yours, you and the 2 million new landlords that bought into the nonsense over the past decade cannot stare the market up any more than you can a 5 minute candle...;)


I get bored of all this too. You guys laughed when I agreed with touting green shoots of recovery last Feb/March 2009.

You are too narrow in your causes for house price rises imo. There is a lot of cash in the system and it needs to go somewhere. Especially with high inflation and negative interest rates.

The pound is low and foreign money is also coming in to buy.

Popullation is rising with more split families.

Supply of houses pretty inelastic.

Your stats refer to demographic factors and frictional moves as people either move up or move down to appropriate accomodation.

At the end of the day it is not about what we think or if we are in denial or not. One puts their money down and takes their chances.


Houses prices will inevitably rise along with inflation!

Time will tell.

Here are some charts... :)

http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/indices-rightmove-national.php
 
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