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Can one of the many wise folk well-acquainted with IB's TWS and its various idiosyncrasies please recommend a front end application for those of us for whom TWS presents a frightening array of buttons, bells and whistles. The simpler the better! I hear T-sim is okay but I understand there are others like Bracket Trader. What do members recommend? Thanks in anticipation.
Sean
 
seancass said:
Can one of the many wise folk well-acquainted with IB's TWS and its various idiosyncrasies please recommend a front end application for those of us for whom TWS presents a frightening array of buttons, bells and whistles. The simpler the better! I hear T-sim is okay but I understand there are others like Bracket Trader. What do members recommend? Thanks in anticipation.
Sean

I've tried 'em all and you should do the same.

The most comprehensive by far is buttontrader and has many excellent features for those trading spot FX and currency futures side by side. But it costs - a monthly subscription.

Bracket trader is good too as is TSim.

Suck 'em and see.
 
rols said:
I've tried 'em all and you should do the same.

The most comprehensive by far is buttontrader and has many excellent features for those trading spot FX and currency futures side by side. But it costs - a monthly subscription.

Bracket trader is good too as is TSim.

Suck 'em and see.

Thanks for that.
 
seancass said:
Can one of the many wise folk well-acquainted with IB's TWS and its various idiosyncrasies please recommend a front end application for those of us for whom TWS presents a frightening array of buttons, bells and whistles. The simpler the better! I hear T-sim is okay but I understand there are others like Bracket Trader. What do members recommend? Thanks in anticipation.
Sean


Seancass

For your reference Interactive Brokers trading platforms are completely scalable. That is, you can minimise the features you wish to use or see at anytime. In addition to our flagship Trader Workstation, we support a Web Trader trading platform that has limited features and is accessible behind a firewall.
 
Can you link buttontrader to Excel? I've tried IB's own Excel API on the demo and it's awful. Can anyone recommend a good front end to link to Excel?
 
seancass said:
Can one of the many wise folk well-acquainted with IB's TWS and its various idiosyncrasies please recommend a front end application for those of us for whom TWS presents a frightening array of buttons, bells and whistles. The simpler the better! I hear T-sim is okay but I understand there are others like Bracket Trader. What do members recommend? Thanks in anticipation.
Sean
Tsim+ is both excellent and free.

Look no further.
 
Visiontrader with IB

Here is another front end for IB and other brokers. Visiontrader, it is free.

With VT you can:Quickly assess if it's a buyer's or seller's market , Confidently determine your course of action, Easily configure your orders with preset profit and protection targets.


http://www.esignal.com/visiontrader/

Chuck
 
GREENWICH, Conn., Oct. 24 /PRNewswire/ -- In the latest step in
cascading transaction costs brought on by technology, as of 1:50 p.m. ET
today Interactive Brokers has cut the minimum price difference for U.S.
listed options from a nickel to a penny (i.e. $5 per contract to $1 per
contract).
Online Brokers and Direct Market Access providers have been
under pressure to cut prices for several years. The listed options markets
have been relatively immune, but no longer. The SEC mandated a penny pilot
program beginning on the 27th of January 2007, in which the six U.S.
options exchanges will have to reduce the minimum price change from 5 to 1
cent for options listed on 13 underlying stocks. Interactive Brokers is
jumping the gun, and in a first for the U.S. options industry, will make
penny pricing on options available as of today.

Interactive Brokers Group ("IBG") has developed a system to allow
customers and liquidity providers to display penny prices in the IB system
and to try to trade against other participants' penny prices displayed in
the IB system. IB will attempt to match penny-priced bids and offers and
send them to an option exchange for execution:

-- If you want to post an options price in pennies for other IB users to
try to trade against, you can send an order to IB priced in a penny
increment (e.g., buy 10 XYZ contracts at $2.07). The order will be
treated as a discretionary order, as follows: IB will round the order
(down for a bid and up for an offer) to the nearest nickel increment
(or dime depending on the premium) and send the nickel-priced order to
an options exchange so that it will be working (in this example, IB
will send an order to an exchange to buy 10 XYZ at $2.05).

-- Then, unless you instruct us to hide your penny price, IB will also
display your penny price (with size) on the public IB website and
through the IB Trader Workstation (if your price is the best price in
our system). Your penny price displayed on the IB website and TWS is an
indication of interest to others that you are willing to trade at a
more aggressive price (e.g. bidding $2.07) than the nickel-priced order
being displayed in the national options market (e.g., bidding $2.05).

-- If another participant in the system sends an order that can be matched
against your penny price (a contra-side order), IB will attempt to
execute a trade at a U.S. options exchange using one of the available
penny auction pricing mechanisms (such as the Price Improvement Period
auction on the Boston Options Exchange or the Price Improvement
Mechanism on the International Securities Exchange).

-- During the penny auction process that takes place at the exchange, your
order may be executed in whole or in part against the contra-side order
at a price no worse for you than the price you specified (i.e., your
order to buy 10 contracts at $2.07 will be executed at no higher than
$2.07 but may be executed at a lower price depending on the contra-side
order and depending on what happens during the auction). Of course, you
may not trade at all if during the auction process another participant
posts a higher-priced bid (e.g., $2.08).

-- Auctions typically last for three seconds and after this time we will
report an execution back to you (if your order was executed) or if we
were unable fully to execute your order we will re-display your penny
indication (if your price is the best price in our system).

-- As an IB customer, you will also be able to send orders in to try to
trade against penny prices displayed by others in the IB system. In
that case you will have the opportunity to trade at a better price than
the nickel or dime prices displayed in the national options market
because someone else on the system has indicated that they are willing
to give you a better price.

-- To make the system more attractive, professional liquidity providers
such as IB's affiliate Timber Hill (one of the largest U.S. options
market makers) and others will be able to post penny indications in the
system for you to trade against, and will also have the opportunity to
hit penny bids and lift penny offers that you submit.


About Interactive Brokers

Interactive Brokers provides professional traders and investors with
direct access to options, futures, stocks, forex, and bonds on over 60
market centers worldwide from a single IB Universal Account. With
consolidated equity capital that exceeds US $2.5 billion, IBG executes in
excess of 500,000 trades/day and executes 22% of North American options*.
In 2006 Barron's awarded Interactive Brokers its top star ranking overall
and for lowest cost broker. For more information, please see the
Interactive Brokers Web site at http://www.InteractiveBrokers.co.uk or call our local UK office 020 7 776 7801.
 
Unfortunately Visiontrader doesn't support keyboard hotkeys. I've just spent the day paper trading IdealPro on TWS and I honestly feel physically sick. This has got to be the worst piece of trading software ever - completely unintuitive - oh that's an interesting purple bar now wtf does it mean? Should I spend the rest of the night looking though the manual or should I just give up? Oh and you're not given any profit and loss information but you might just be able to find you're running trades if you look hard enough. My one live trade was confirmed 2 seconds after I sent it and not surprisingly I wasn't filled - so much for fast execution. What a load of BS! I'm thinking futuresbetting is going to be a better option or am I being too harsh on IB?
 
notouch said:
Unfortunately Visiontrader doesn't support keyboard hotkeys. I've just spent the day paper trading IdealPro on TWS and I honestly feel physically sick. This has got to be the worst piece of trading software ever - completely unintuitive - oh that's an interesting purple bar now wtf does it mean? Should I spend the rest of the night looking though the manual or should I just give up? Oh and you're not given any profit and loss information but you might just be able to find you're running trades if you look hard enough. My one live trade was confirmed 2 seconds after I sent it and not surprisingly I wasn't filled - so much for fast execution. What a load of BS! I'm thinking futuresbetting is going to be a better option or am I being too harsh on IB?
With their spread against IB commission you will feel physically sick at the amount of money it will cost you. Try Tsim+
 
Notouch

1. We provide an online tutorial on how to use our software right from our homepage.
2. We provide free workshops on how to use our software in our London office. To sign up send us an e-mail.
3. If you needs a hands on assistance contact us by e-mail or call our London office 020 7 776 7801 and we will assist.
4. Provide us your particulars and we will review your specific trade to confirm and verify the delay with your order.

We look forward to helping you.
 
LevII said:
With their spread against IB commission you will feel physically sick at the amount of money it will cost you. Try Tsim+


For your reference,

1. At 22:37 GMT on 25 Oct 2006, our forex spreads are

a) EUR/USD = 1.2600 1/2 x 1.2601
b) USD/JPY = 119.11 x 119.12 1/2
c) GBP/USD = 1.8744 x 1.8746

2. Our clients can quote in 1/2 increments and can get in the middle of the spreads.

3. We do not get in the middle of the spread.

4. We ask 0.00002 per transaction value which is about a 1/3 of a basis point.

5. The following independent website lists and ranks our site near the top when it comes to tight quotes http://www.brokersmatrix.com/common/spreadtable.php

6. We support various order types.

7. We provide tutorials and workshops on how to use our system.

8. Our Trader Workstation is bespoke. Hence you can edit our TWS so you can reduce it to only the features you want.

9. We provide account protection.

10. We are a $2.5 billion dollar company.

11. We provide transparent prices, commissions and services e.g., on our website. Unlike other brokers where they do not tell you how much they build in the spread that you are trading against; or require you to send them your profile before they confirm your commissions. Thus a low volume trading commission client (non disclosed) may be paying more than the client next door.
 
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Thanks for the reply IB. I'm aware of the online tutorial and have spent several days going through your help files, tutorials and webinars. I do appreciate your offer of help but my point is that decent software shouldn't require you to constantly look things up in help files and tutorials. How about properly labelling the software rather than random coloured bars? How about some context sensitve help? How about easy access to forex positions and profit and loss? I could waste 3 weeks paper trading just to get to grips with TWS but that's 3 weeks wasted trading time. I thought an expensive front-end would be a luxury but with IB it's an absolute essential.

I don't doubt that there are many benefits to trading with IB but TWS is definitely not one of them. End of moan.
 
NoTouch

Respectfully, we do provide context sensitive help in our Trader Workstation for a very long time. For example, you can activiate the aforementioned from your TWS > Configure Menu > Display > Enable Tool Tips.

In addition, to the below (i.e., on how to use our system) we provide in depth examples and graphics on how to enter over 40 free order types under Order Types on our site.

1. Userguide;
2. Tutorials;
3. Webinars;
4. Free Workshops;
5. Quickstarter Guides.


Please contact our London office for further assistance 020 7 776 7800. We are here to help.
 
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Interactive Brokers said:
NoTouch

Respectfully, we do provide context sensitive help in our Trader Workstation for a very long time. For example, you can activiate the aforementioned from your TWS > Configure Menu > Display > Enable Tool Tips.

In addition, to the below (i.e., on how to use our system) we provide in depth examples and graphics on how to enter over 40 free order types under Order Types on our site.

1. Userguide;
2. Tutorials;
3. Webinars;
4. Free Workshops;
5. Quickstarter Guides.


Please contact our London office for further assistance 020 7 776 7800. We are here to help.

ANYBODY reading this and considering trading FX on IB's IDEAL PRO

DON'T DO IT!
(Unless you are some kind of masochist)

I just did and am regretting it. Thank God it was a test trade with a small position.

I have just been told by one of IBs Euro representatives (trade enquiries reached by phoning the above London office number "we're here to help") that he couldn't spend any more time discussing my trade enquiry because "he was the only person manning the line and there might be somebody trying to get through wanting to close a position."

Why is a $2.5 BILLION company employing one person to answer all of their European trade enquiries?

He did offer to transfer me to the US but I've been there before and will not repeat ever again. (This relates to a previous incident where a considerable amount of my account disappeared during a transfer which took daily phone calls of three weeks to resolve.)

If any body wants a frank opinion on what the US traders think of IB FOREX they should head over to ET and take a look

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...006&perpage=6&highlight=ib forex&pagenumber=1
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64052

Before I get labelled as an IB basher I would like to say that for trading futures and stocks I have no problem what-so-ever.

It's just the same old customer service thing. Why can't UK customers speak to somebody who is English in England?

When I used CS the customer service was by comparison a breath of fresh air.

Ah I feel better now!
 
rols said:
ANYBODY reading this and considering trading FX on IB's IDEAL PRO

DON'T DO IT!
(Unless you are some kind of masochist)

I just did and am regretting it. Thank God it was a test trade with a small position.

I have just been told by one of IBs Euro representatives (trade enquiries reached by phoning the above London office number "we're here to help") that he couldn't spend any more time discussing my trade enquiry because "he was the only person manning the line and there might be somebody trying to get through wanting to close a position."

Why is a $2.5 BILLION company employing one person to answer all of their European trade enquiries?

He did offer to transfer me to the US but I've been there before and will not repeat ever again. (This relates to a previous incident where a considerable amount of my account disappeared during a transfer which took daily phone calls of three weeks to resolve.)

If any body wants a frank opinion on what the US traders think of IB FOREX they should head over to ET and take a look

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...006&perpage=6&highlight=ib forex&pagenumber=1
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64052

Before I get labelled as an IB basher I would like to say that for trading futures and stocks I have no problem what-so-ever.

It's just the same old customer service thing. Why can't UK customers speak to somebody who is English in England?

When I used CS the customer service was by comparison a breath of fresh air.

Ah I feel better now!

To ensure your credibility can you provide us the exact time of your call. You are implying that you just called today our London office at 020 7 776 7800 but there is no record of a call regarding forex. Moreover, if you were treated impolitely we owe you an apology. Further we can get the name of the person that you spoke to so he or she can apologise to you personally. As our client you deserve better.

We look forward to hearing from you, i.e., unless your story never happened....[/B]
 
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Do you have an approximate date of arrival for the new FX interface I've heard mentioned? Try trading in fast markets when you can't see the price at which you've been filled or your running profit and loss - impossible. ButtonTrader looks like a good investment but if IB's own solution is just around the corner I'll wait for that.
 
Interactive Brokers said:
To ensure your credibility can you provide us the exact time of your call. You are implying that you just called today our London office at 020 7 776 7800 but there is no record of a call regarding forex. Moreover, if you were treated impolitely we owe you an apology. Further we can get the name of the person that you spoke to so he or she can apologise to you personally. That is if your story did happen.

I cannot believe this.

I called the london number and the options I was given took me to the toll free european number.

Perhaps it is time for me to take my account elswhere.

I wasn't treated impolitely, the guy was unable to answer my question and seeing he was the only operative for the whole of Europe he was worried that somebody might be trying to get through to cancel an order.

I would still like to know why you only have one person manning the trade enquiries line for the whole of Europe
 
rols said:
I cannot believe this.

I called the london number and the options I was given took me to the toll free european number.

Perhaps it is time for me to take my account elswhere.

I wasn't treated impolitely, the guy was unable to answer my question and seeing he was the only operative for the whole of Europe he was worried that somebody might be trying to get through to cancel an order.

I would still like to know why you only have one person manning the trade enquiries line for the whole of Europe


PIFFEL

First, you say.... trade enquiries reached by phoning the above London office number .

Now, you say that ...and the options I was given took me to the toll free european number.
For your reference, you would have to redial our toll free number and we would log your call.
There are an ample amount of us on call to answer our clients calls.

Let everyone make up their own mind on how credible your story is. Have a nice evening!
 
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