How long does it take to become a successful consistant day trader?

blash

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Just wondering from the guys and gals out there who are "Day Trading for a Living" how long it took to get to that stage.

Presumably you were in a full time job before which wouldnt have aloud you to watch/trade the markets all day (unless your an IT contractor).

So how long was it from giving up the job to being a consistantly profitable day trader.

Are you trading the same instrument/s you started out with using the same indicators or has it developed into something completely different.

I'm an IT contractor who decided at the start of this year to have a go at day trading as the IT contract market was quiet.

I'm still day trading now but struggling to get any consistancy but I know its what I want and that I can do it, but how long do I give it.
 

DaxTrader

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The "average" is supposed to be about 3 yrs, according to mkt wizards traders, some people much shorter, some longer or never. To say you can do it in 6 months is definaetly hope over reality.

Personally , took me 2 yrs in stocks and about 3 yrs in futures (some overlap doing both)
 

mmillar

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I think 3-5 years is about right. It took me a year of losing money, a year of breaking even, and now my third year I am making money. Doesn't mean I'm consistent, of course. Will only know that in the future.
 

Trader333

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The answer is about 8 hours if you believe the likes of Darren and Vince.


Paul
 

oatman

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I think you know pretty quickly if you're going to make it or not. It can be learnt but discipline is the key.
You must feel comfortable hitting that button.
 

Qwento

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I too was an IT contractor - got fed up with it and started trading full time just over two years ago.

Initially started trading actual shares - knew no different. First year was a total disaster. Eventually moved on to spread betting and CFD trading which has made the second year profitable although it has not exactly paid all of the bills.

I have stuck to trading the UK market. I tend to day/swing trade FT100 stocks only now - fed up with the spreads on many of the other stocks.

I used to trade mainly on indicators (RSI, Williams, Bollinger ...). Although I still scan for likely candidates end of day and also like to glance at the indicators prior to entering a trade I now favour simple intra-day price action for entry/exit points in combination with trend lines, median lines and pivots. I am quite a fan of candlestick analysis.

I have spent an inordinate amount of time writing my own EOD and more recently real-time scanning/charting software. At least I can see exactly what is going on in the market now - even if I still don't always make the right decisions !
 

neil

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Well - I thought I had the hang of it until this week when I managed to be in the red most days on Dax and Dow Futures.

Looking at my notes I see that each loss was down to jumping on a trend near it's end, instead of patiently waiting for support/res lines to break etc. which would give me a nearby stop loss exit point.

jumping on a trend some time after it's initiation gives the uncomfortable feeling of not knowing where the safety net is.

All this due to walking away from the computer at various times - and I only have to sit there for 3 hours !

Must resolve to do better next week.

:eek:
 

Trader333

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neil,

If say you had been profitable on all of these trades this week do you think it may have given you negative re-inforcement ? ie that your trading was all OK and it would be fine to carry in this way in the future ?

Also you have clearly analysed your losing trades so do you do the same with all of your profitable ones as well ?


Paul
 

neil

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Yes Paul,
It would have installed a false sense of confidence if I had been "lucky."

Profitable trades have come from stalking price action - by sitting there watching each bar unfold. I usually keep a higher time frame open for the bigger picture.

Even marking higher highs/ lower Lows etc would work, I feel , if you sit and watch and ruthlessly chop trades that fail to move the right way within a stop loss range. Types of price bar shapes (length, position of open/close - all give clues)

At least it gives a framework for entering/exiting trades.

So - must do better next week

:|
 

marketmaker

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Considering you have started to get comfortable with your trading methods/tools and risk management limits after a year or two - regardless of trading equities/futures..

What would you be expecting to make on a capital investment of

(A) £15k

(B) £25k

(C) £50k

(D) £100k or more?

Infact, what is your average capital investment :cheesy:
 

waqr

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neil,

I found the dax very difficult this week. Could'nt see any decent opportunities all week...................sometimes the market is lousy it's not always possible to get it right.

Go easy on yourself !
 

mma

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what time frames are you measuring returns on ?

I assume 1 year , in which case my answer would be :

anything up to 50 K : about 2-4 X my risk capital

100K : 2-3 X

what about you ?
 

marketmaker

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Seems reasonable, but as I'm currently trading an account of around £25k, I would expect better returns for a larger account between £50-100k (something I may increase my capital pot by releasing some assets I have in property)..again with a larger account I would expect the returns on 6 months, unlike my current situation where I set returns annually !

What is the take of other members?
 

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