Best Thread COFFEE - The next big bull?

Well I hope that some of you are profiting nicely from what is fast turning into a RAGING COFFEE BULL MARKET.... :)

New highs AGAIN today : May futures @ 10900 + in late action....

Since going LONG a week ago ,(at 9650 basis May) I'm up over 1300 points.

My 1st targets for profit taking remain in the 11800-12200 area. Even this level should only serve as temporary resistance, IMO. 15000 would be next in the firing line, after that.....

By May/June 2005 we could be looking back at a banner year for Coffee futures.

If LONG, stay LONG....(for now) :cool:
 

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Dog gonnit!! :mad: I keep expecting a pull back before furthur advances. I got out a few days ago when a support line was broken on the 15 minute chart. Then the market took off... again. Now, I'm afraid to jump in---still waiting for that pull back.
 
likewise - unfortuantley my day job gets in the way - dont think Ive missed the boat but may have to take the plunge and place a caculated stop loss.
 
....and if there is ONE outstanding fundamental figure which supports projections of significantly higher COFFEE prices in 2005, it is the ENDING STOCKS-TO-USE RATIO, (imo)

Ending-Stocks-To-Use is projected to fall to 16% next year, which would be the lowest level for over 2 decades....



World Coffee Market Statistics (in million 60-kg. bags)
Year ending September 30, 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006

Production 103.8 97.7 109.0 113.8 118.2 111.4 126.6e 109.5e 119.0e 107.0e

Total Use 108.9 103.1 109.4 117.0 115.8 113.8 117.5e 117.2e 115.8e 114.0e

Ending Stocks 29.1 24.9 24.4 21.2 23.6 21.2 30.3e 22.6e 25.8e 18.8e

E. Stocks to Use Ratio (%) 27 22 22 18 20 19 26e 19e 22e 16e
 
We can definitely expect a major correction very soon. I know this for a fact. Ya know how I know this? I just bought. :LOL:
 
Of course today is the day of the correction: I bought yesturday. :mad: But the market would have to come down a looong way before it would hurt me. The bigger picture still suggests much higher prices are in store. I'm stayin' in....For now.
 
I'm also holding through this sharp correction - still long May Coffee from 9650.

1st Target 12000-12400 by mid-Jan 05 , possibly early Feb 05, IMO.

Gene - it's better to wait for the corrections AND THEN BUY, generally speaking. ;)
 
I know, but I was waiting and waiting and waiting. Then I took a calculated risk that it still may not correct for a while, and if it does, I could stand it. I was also thinking of the possibility of a sharp rally before the holidays due to commercial short covering.

Hey! Wouldn't it be nice if the commercials see this correction as an opportunity to cover!?
 
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finally looks like a good buying opp :).

BTW just signed up to www.myfuturesource.com. Have to say for free its excellent, the customisation angle is great. (pic attached)
 

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DJ OUTLOOK 05: Nybot Coffee To Strengthen In Coming Yr

By Susan Buchanan
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES


NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--Arabica coffee futures have further room on the upside
in 2005 after the market sped to four-and-one-half year highs on the New York
Board of Trade in December, traders and industry members said, as supply from
major producers is expected to be lower.

Many market participants who were initially surprised by a vigorous rally in
late 2004, which sent the nearby contract over $1 a pound, have since raised
their price targets considerably, with some suggesting nearby futures could
move significantly beyond that level.

Brazil's developing 2005-06 crop, harvested from next May to September, could
be the smallest in years, industry members said. Meanwhile, roasters in the
U.S. and Europe are scrambling to find quality supplies after growers in
Colombia, Central America and Brazil paid little attention to groves during a
long period of low prices in the early 1990s.

"The Nybot market will be firm in the first quarter of 2005 and will likely
be trading above the $1.00-a-pound mark," said Rodrigo Costa, broker with Fimat
USA in New York. "Prices could turn very volatile in the second quarter,
heading into Brazil's winter (June to August). Brazil's new crop is already
expected to be smaller than last year because of the tree cycle, and any
additional problems like frost or drought will lift the market. A killer frost
in Brazil is less likely than it was 10 years ago, (after groves were moved to
milder areas to the north) but frost can still occur."

Brazil's 2005-06 crop is seen at a moderate 30.7 million to 33.1 million
bags, below 38.6 million the previous year, because of the biennial production
pattern and other factors, according to the Ministry of Agriculture. Low use of
fertilizer, insecticides and labor, along with a lack of investment in groves
in past years, has taken its toll.

Brazilian private consultants Safras e Mercado recently forecast Brazil's new
crop at 32.9 million to 35.2 million bags.

Consumption is growing rapidly in Brazil in the meantime, and could reach 16
million bags in 2005-06, leaving less for export, the Brazilian Coffee Industry
Association estimates.

Brazil has held a 25% to 30% share of the world coffee market in recent years
but that could decline in 2005, Costa said.



World Stocks To Shrink In 2005



The supply and demand balance will be tight in Brazil and worldwide in 2005,
and a drawdown in global stocks of at least 5 million bags is expected, Costa
said.

The International Coffee Organization sees 2005-06 world production at 106
million to 108 million bags, below the previous season and below consumption,
according to a mid-December forecast. World 2004-05 output was put at 114
million bags, equal to consumption. Asian tea drinkers are increasingly turning
to coffee and growth in the region's demand is offsetting stagnation in the
U.S. and Europe.

Vietnam's 2004-05 crop should be down 30% after drought and floods, the
Vietnam Coffee and Cocoa Association predicted in November.

Any meaningful disruption to coffee supplies in 2005 could cause the Nybot
market to rally, "possibly to levels never seen before," Costa said. The recent
high for the Nybot spot month was $3.18 in 1997 and the market was even
stronger in 1977.

Meanwhile, "U.S. roasters have room to buy futures after they hiked list
prices in December," Costa said.

Folgers was the first major roaster to raise prices in December, by 14%,
followed by Maxwell House and Sara Lee with similar hikes. European giant
Nestle has yet to announce increases. Starbucks Coffee lifted retail prices in
its stores by 4% to 5% in October.

U.S. monthly stocks, as tracked by the Green Coffee Association, and
inventories held in Nybot-licensed warehouses declined in fall 2004 from very
high levels, as roasters removed beans to meet peak winter demand.

Traders said it's quite possible that Nybot in 2005 will approve Brazilian
washed arabicas for delivery, after the exchange collected industry comments
and conducted grading tests in 2004.

"If Brazilian washed coffee meets exchange qualifications, Nybot may go ahead
and allow it for delivery," a desk trader in New York said.

Such a move "has opposition from some of the other origins and some of the
roasters, but would provide a needed reference point for Brazilian washed
coffee," he said. Brazil produces about 3 million bags of semi-washed coffee
and one million bags of fully washed coffee annually, he said.

Fully washed coffee has had gummy substances removed in a fermentation tank,
while semi-washed beans are washed, but not put into a fermentation tank, and
set out to dry.

Some traders worry that making Brazilian beans, which have traditionally been
of lower quality that Colombian and Central American coffee, will cheapen the
board. Furthermore, some U.S. specialty roasters don't want to be stuck taking
delivery of Brazilian coffee against Nybot futures.



Funds Pile Into Market



The futures market has begun to settle well above $1.00 in the front month,
as funds have been active participants, said Hernando de la Roche, coffee head
at Hencorp Futures in Miami. Nybot prices will be firm in the first quarter of
the year, he predicted, with a lot of volatility in the first half of 2005.

"Portfolio managers have been migrating money from a lackluster stock market
into commodity funds, with coffee being particularly attractive because of its
high per-tick value and recently large trading ranges," said Paul Adler, trader
with ADM Investor Services In New York. A minimum move of 5 points in Nybot
coffee futures is worth $18.75 a lot, he observed. "The bang for the buck has
traditionally been high in coffee, and there's the potential for large profits,
but also large losses."

Fund participation in the Nybot coffee market is growing as a result.

Funds, or large speculators, have a record long position on Nybot in late
December, according to the Commodity Futures Trading Commission and commercials
-- the industry and the trade -- have a record short position. Open interest is
high and approaching an all-time high set in spring 2004.

"We're hearing targets of $1.17, $1.20, $1.45 and higher for the nearby
contract," said Jared Siegel, head of A&A coffee, a Nybot floor brokerage.
 
$1.45 wouldn't surprise me, except that it is being projected for the nearby. In a way that sounds great, but it could make adding to your position a little spooky.
 
***COFFEE MARKET RECAP - 12/30/2004
March Coffee closed down 4.20 at 103.75. This was 0.75 up from the low and 4.35
off the high.

March coffee closed 495 lower on the session which left nearby futures up 58.5%
on the year. Long liquidation selling helped pressure the market on the last
trading day of the year. Talk that fund traders might re-allocate speculative
long positions to other commodity market helped trigger the weakness. Traders
are anxious to see if Brazil producers are more aggressive sellers in early
2005.

Technical Outlook
COFFEE (MAR) 01/03/2005: Studies are showing positive momentum but are now in
overbought territory, so some caution is warranted. The cross over and close
above the 18-day moving average indicates the longer-term trend has turned up.
The defensive setup, with the close under the 2nd swing support, could cause
some early weakness. The next upside target is 109.75. The next area of
resistance is around 106.30 and 109.75, while 1st support hits today at 101.25
and below there at 99.55.
 
NY Coffeee is resuming it's advance today, after another sharp correction over the last few days.

I'm still LONG May Coffee from 9650. Targeting 12200-12400 by late Jan/ 1st half Feb 2005.

I am 'reading' this bull market , according to the evolution of other commodity bull runs during the last 2-3 years. ( Wheat in 2002, Soybeans/Silver/Sugar in 2003/4).The advances and corrections seem to correspond faily closely.

This has allowed me to 'anticipate' and correctly assess the recent corrections.

As previously highlighted, take a look again at the similarities (on the daily charts) between :

1) CBOT Wheat in mid-2002

2) NY Coffee in 2004/5

You can see the trendline I've drawn from 'LOW1 ' in each case held during 'Corrections 1 and 2'

Nothing terribly surprising, ofcourse. Patterns repeat themselves.. History repeats. Human behaviour repeats, etc. causing similar sequences and patterns on the charts.

That's Technical Analysis.


Any other views?





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well heres hoping for a repeat! Still long but trading Liffe MAR 05 Robusta. Any thoughts on plays between different contracts, from a beginners point what are the key factors that create the price patterns between different delivery months - carry ? interest rates ?
 
I'm standing aside for now. I see a possible head and shoulders (I'm predicting a failed one). I've drawn two possible support lines. I wouldn't expext the market to go any lower than that. I'll wait for further correction. In the meantime, there are other markets to watch. Soybean Meal, for example. With the low margin requirement, it holds plenty of promise...especially in the months ahead. Soybean rust may be a big problem this year.
 

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jklondon -

The New York market is in contango at the moment (ie forward contracts are priced progressively HIGHER than the SPOT) - this reflects the cost of carry, etc.

In an advanced bull market one should see BACKWARDATION - (ie where the SPOT contract is priced higher than the forwards). This then refelects tight supply/strong demand for immediate delivery of the physical product.

I see you are LONG London Robusta (march).

The greater relative strength remains in the New York Arabica market, due to the tigher preceived supply/demend balance for 2005-6.
 
PS - looks like Coffee could retest recent lows before moving decisively higher.
 
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