And again: Bio Defense Corp. scam ...

wow2403

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HI all,

To my regrets I have to start a new thread about these unregistered shares, which allways
appears at the end of an investment scam scenario. As I am a victim and own now unvoluntarily a share certificate in Biodef myself, I started to investigate and plan a litigation action. At this moment I allready have lots of information and have been consulted by different American laywers, specialised in securities fraud. As this forum is also visited by these Boiler Room imposter and I am looking to cooperate with other victims, to share informations, etc ..., communication can only take place via personal
messages, and this after prooving your real identity. No name, no information. Its as simple as that.´And a copy of your share cert.
Yes ,the boiler rooms have our money, and it´s lost forever, because it is very difficult to find these crooks. But there are other ways to come to our rights, at least we can try to stop this practice. If you are a victim and owns a share cert of Biodef, contact me! Together we can kick some ass!

Best regards,
wow2403
 

pboyles

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Wow

You do realise that there may be people with information about this scam that are not shareholders? Indeed if someone from Biodefense wanted to infiltrate your group it wouldn't be terribly difficult from them to get a share certificate. If you are on an information gathering quest you might be starting in the wrong foot with those demands.
 

wow2403

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Wow

You do realise that there may be people with information about this scam that are not shareholders? Indeed if someone from Biodefense wanted to infiltrate your group it wouldn't be terribly difficult from them to get a share certificate. If you are on an information gathering quest you might be starting in the wrong foot with those demands.
I am sure employees of Bio Defense nor people of Boiler rooms will send me a copy of their passports/ ID cards, as they want to stay anonymous. The problem to fight boiler rooms and connected companies is that the fight of individuals against them brings nothing. The share cert is only secondary information.
If you have any ideas, I am happy to hear them.
And Mr Boyles, only words doesn´t stop them at all!
 

pboyles

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I am sure employees of Bio Defense nor people of Boiler rooms will send me a copy of their passports/ ID cards, as they want to stay anonymous. The problem to fight boiler rooms and connected companies is that the fight of individuals against them brings nothing. The share cert is only secondary information.
If you have any ideas, I am happy to hear them.
And Mr Boyles, only words doesn´t stop them at all!
Yes, complain to the SEC and any other relevant authorities. Also appeal for information from others (shareholders or not) who may have relevant information. You cant expect people to send you their passport or ID card when nobody knows who you are, in any case it is irrelevant who gives you the information as long as it can be investigated and acted upon. Even anonymous information is worth having.
 
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wow2403

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Yes, complain to the SEC and any other relevant authorities. Also appeal for information from others (shareholders or not) who may have relevant information. You cant expect people to send you their passport or ID card when nobody knows who you are, in any case it is irrelevant who gives you the information as long as it can be investigated and acted upon. Even anonymous information is worth having.
Right! So, anybody having information about Bio Defense Corp or related, pls. ctc me. It´s time for action!
 

pboyles

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Right! So, anybody having information about Bio Defense Corp or related, pls. ctc me. It´s time for action!
Are you aware of the identity of the guy who was pumping Biodefense here on T2W? He is a convicted fraudster, do you already have his details? He is now a Biodefense employee but his conviction relates to a previous scam.
 

wow2403

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Are you aware of the identity of the guy who was pumping Biodefense here on T2W? He is a convicted fraudster, do you already have his details? He is now a Biodefense employee but his conviction relates to a previous scam.
You mean "Big brains". Yes I know him, probably he´s the connection man between Biodef and the boiler rooms ... He´s allways coldcalling and wants to sell big deals, hot shares...
You have a link or description of his conviction?
 

pboyles

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You mean "Big brains". Yes I know him, probably he´s the connection man between Biodef and the boiler rooms ... He´s allways coldcalling and wants to sell big deals, hot shares...
You have a link or description of his conviction?
Heres a news article about it. He disappeared to Indonesia for a few years and then came back and pleaded guilty. I saw the court documents, he got probation partly based on the fact he was now 'going straight' and had a job at Biodefense.

http://siliconinvestor.advfn.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=16247741
 

DionysusToast

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My opinion here - the OP is a scammer.

Let's face it - if a boiler room wanted to add to their database of idiots, what better than going to a trading site and finding idiots that had fallen for it before?

Copy of id/passport ? This reeks to high heaven.
 

wow2403

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My opinion here - the OP is a scammer.

Let's face it - if a boiler room wanted to add to their database of idiots, what better than going to a trading site and finding idiots that had fallen for it before?

Copy of id/passport ? This reeks to high heaven.
Hi DionysusToast,

Believe me man, I am only trying to get after these *******s. And the more information I have the better I can start a litigation action. Just telling I am another scam is too easy.
Everybody having information about the Bio Defense scam, pls tell me. Especially victims from the past, I would like to hear how your situation is at the moment, and what legal action you took against them, what came out of it?
 

wow2403

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Bio Defense Corp. never went public. But they (Rob Heller, Hamberger and Lu) do announce (On phone calls) an IPO at the end of Q2 2011 on the AIM in London. But they probably did the same announcements in 2004, 2005, 2006, ...
I don´t think they will ever go public, as this means a kind of controled regulation. And why should they? Getting a +-35% of the sold shares (By European Boiler Rooms off course)
brings good money too. Signing a 1$ worth share certificate is a very lucrativ business, don´t you think? So, why should you change that?
On my personal question how many shares are in the hands of privat investors, I´ll never got any answers. Why? Because there are tons of illegal share cert´s in circulation! And these are all very nicely signed, and for all no fake, but illegal anyhow and worthless.
Hamberger told me he owns 2.3 millions??????? of Biodef shares. At the current (Boiler Room) price, that would mean 11.500.000$. This company cannot be serious, they must be part of the scam ... :(
 

pboyles

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Bio Defense Corp. never went public. But they (Rob Heller, Hamberger and Lu) do announce (On phone calls) an IPO at the end of Q2 2011 on the AIM in London. But they probably did the same announcements in 2004, 2005, 2006, ...
I don´t think they will ever go public, as this means a kind of controled regulation. And why should they? Getting a +-35% of the sold shares (By European Boiler Rooms off course)
brings good money too. Signing a 1$ worth share certificate is a very lucrativ business, don´t you think? So, why should you change that?
On my personal question how many shares are in the hands of privat investors, I´ll never got any answers. Why? Because there are tons of illegal share cert´s in circulation! And these are all very nicely signed, and for all no fake, but illegal anyhow and worthless.
Hamberger told me he owns 2.3 millions??????? of Biodef shares. At the current (Boiler Room) price, that would mean 11.500.000$. This company cannot be serious, they must be part of the scam ... :(
They are part of the scam without doubt, Lu was prosecuted in Texas for some form of illegal securities sales.
 

wow2403

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They are part of the scam without doubt, Lu was prosecuted in Texas for some form of illegal securities sales.
Yes PBoyles, and therefore I think I should attack Biodef; best tactics. How? I will not tell in here, but inform you about the outcome. Could take some time ... and I am probably not the first one. And Biodef has ex-CIA agents as advisors ...
So, why are the authorities in the States don´t check these guys. Obviously they are repeating things all over again. But when you call them, they are very serious: we increase our revenue, we have sold over 100 machines, etc..., blabla. And in Q2 they tell you prob. the same story again and again ...
:cheesy:
That´s the link, describing the sentence for Biodef in 2008.
http://www.ssb.state.tx.us/Enforcement/files/1651.pdf
 

Dornye

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Hi there, my name is George Easton, i have the same problem,i have got a share certificate of 815 shares along with the weybill of where they were sent from, Florida
i also have the address of New Century Capital, along with the names of two of the ******* who pressured me into parting.(i would love to meet them in a dark alleway).
My e-mail is dornypcs@yahoo.co.uk if you want to get in touch.
Thanks Dornye






HI all,

To my regrets I have to start a new thread about these unregistered shares, which allways
appears at the end of an investment scam scenario. As I am a victim and own now unvoluntarily a share certificate in Biodef myself, I started to investigate and plan a litigation action. At this moment I allready have lots of information and have been consulted by different American laywers, specialised in securities fraud. As this forum is also visited by these Boiler Room imposter and I am looking to cooperate with other victims, to share informations, etc ..., communication can only take place via personal
messages, and this after prooving your real identity. No name, no information. Its as simple as that.´And a copy of your share cert.
Yes ,the boiler rooms have our money, and it´s lost forever, because it is very difficult to find these crooks. But there are other ways to come to our rights, at least we can try to stop this practice. If you are a victim and owns a share cert of Biodef, contact me! Together we can kick some ass!

Best regards,
wow2403
 

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