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If other drugs were legalised and taxed then that would pay for it.
There's no way of knowing if legalised drug trade would generate sufficient tax revenue. No doubt the drug would be immediately hard at work formulating drugs that were not included in the tax regime, the way they invented crystal meth, as well as obviously avoiding tax through counterfeiting and smuggling.
And where's the compulsion and duty and responsibility of a government to create a way for some people to knowingly harm themselves to the point where they become "disabled" while others work hard to pay for the degenerates to be persuaded into healthy lifestyles?
I don't think it's a case of legalising having a reducing effect on use. The effects of legalising would strip related criminal activity. There would be less deaths associated with chemical substitutions. You could still have an illegal element by criminalising driving or working under the influence. The tax revenue could be injected into the heath service and programmes to educate people and help them stop using it.
The problem doesn't go away but the effects of how it's controlled and reducing crime will be measurable.
Atilla
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Guns, knives and baseball bats can all kill. One needs to apply common sense.
Cannabis is natures pain killer. In it's pure form less harmful than alcohol and tobacco.
Does anyone here read the side effects of their prescription drugs?
Common sense is not,always, a factor when starting drug use and guns, knives and baseball bats are what users tend to resort to when short of money to buy drugs.
So, if it is legalised, strapped users fall back on the good old NHS to feed the habit?
I don't say that it should not be tried, though. Every possible solution must be.
Almost anything that goes into the body can have adverse side effects, cannabis is no exception.
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I think you'll find it is the dealers and those making money and holding up the laws who use lethal weapons. Users simply get fleeced and those who lose the will to live resort to some burglary and robbery.
You should remember many pop stars and celebrities use drugs as a matter of course and even give it away in parties. Because they can afford it, when they come off the highs it's back to usual BAU. If one is poor having paid a disproportionate amount of ones money on a bit of high, when they come off the trip they are back to grim reality of deprivation, social abuse and physical kicking.
It has been tried with success. We've had this before and the outcome is what is termed as an exciting drug to be tried turns into a medical habit 'illness' that loses appeal to the young when they have to go to the doctor.
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This is along the same argument as guns, knives and baseball bats as one can kill with just about anything including pans and woks.
Back to seeking common sense!
I think you'll find it is the dealers and those making money and holding up the laws who use lethal weapons. Users simply get fleeced and those who lose the will to live resort to some burglary and robbery.
You should remember many pop stars and celebrities use drugs as a matter of course and even give it away in parties. Because they can afford it, when they come off the highs it's back to usual BAU. If one is poor having paid a disproportionate amount of ones money on a bit of high, when they come off the trip they are back to grim reality of deprivation, social abuse and physical kicking.
It has been tried with success. We've had this before and the outcome is what is termed as an exciting drug to be tried turns into a medical habit 'illness' that loses appeal to the young when they have to go to the doctor.
What about the slave trade and prostitution? They are not dealers. The males who have no cash will, also, sell themseves for drugs. They have been known to rob their own family for the price of a dose.
Once a society accepts this, because the fortunate few get away with it, then it is decadent and deserves the wrath of Allah!. This is not meant as a joke, by the way. It is what ISIS and all the villains in this world want.
Am I a fanatic! If that is what it means, then I am one.
This cannot be condoned.
If it is to be legalised, our mentality must be geared to eliminating the habit, not accepting it.
This is along the same argument as guns, knives and baseball bats as one can kill with just about anything including pans and woks.
Back to seeking common sense!
Common sense would suggest if the world is already subject to adverse side-effects from harmful substances, there's no advantage in legalising supply of a whole new class of them.
In addition, once a substance is legalised it will be very hard to reverse that process and criminalise it again, if the legal relaxation was found to be a mistake.
There's little point comparing cannabis or other drugs with alcohol and tobacco, scientific comparison will always come down to a question of judgement - should the greater harm to this bodily system be acceptable owing to the lesser harm to that system? And politicians can always be accused later of making the wrong choice, so why should they take the risk. Plus, alcohol and tobacco are already legalised and accepted to a point by society, so they and drugs start from different positions. Political considerations often outweigh the scientific.
As an example of political pragmatism is the legalise drugs campaigners' focus on de-criminalising drugs rather than criminalising alcohol. Surely on scientific grounds that would be the most beneficial route for mankind?
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No and quite the opposite as with experience wrt alcohol prohibition in the US pre & post legalisation.
Common sense would suggest making drugs illegal makes the bad guys rich and worse, prepared to die and kill for their territory. Makes the good guys and users criminals and very poor. Costs society millions to deal with.
As been mentioned nothing has changed in over a 100 years. Time for some new thinking.
http://www.tdpf.org.uk/blog/drug-decriminalisation-portugal-setting-record-straight
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsu...-pot-peace-looks-like-a-bargain/#70fd91fd167c
Follow the evidence
No and quite the opposite as with experience wrt alcohol prohibition in the US pre & post legalisation.
Common sense would suggest making drugs illegal makes the bad guys rich and worse, prepared to die and kill for their territory. Makes the good guys and users criminals and very poor. Costs society millions to deal with.
As been mentioned nothing has changed in over a 100 years. Time for some new thinking.
http://www.tdpf.org.uk/blog/drug-decriminalisation-portugal-setting-record-straight
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsu...-pot-peace-looks-like-a-bargain/#70fd91fd167c
Follow the evidence
I don't argue for alcohol prohibition. I argue that legalise-drugs-campaigners should be consistent in their logic. The fact that they are so selective about what evidence they act on and what evidence they say everyone else should act on, argues that they aren't interested in society benefitting from drug legalisation, they only seek to benefit personally from legalised drug availability and use. And I say concealing that truth is wrong.
Yes, obviously an illegal demand is going to be fulfilled by a criminal supply. That doesn't prove the prohibition was a mistake or that its enforcement is a failure.
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Want to be radical? Kill two birds with one stone.
We have a problem with traffickers and distributors of hard drugs.
We need to increase exports to the rest of the world after Brexit.
Export them to the Philippines to have a chat with President Duterte
We have a problem with traffickers and distributors of hard drugs.
We need to increase exports to the rest of the world after Brexit.
Export them to the Philippines to have a chat with President Duterte
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PS What exactly is Corbyn on?
Atilla
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His on people power. Not powder power! :cheesy:
Easy mistake to make. You may be on the wrong thread comrade
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Sorry, I was just wishing CorBlimey was ON the next out bound Philippines Airline flight.
