Hi Atilla,
A great post. I think that you deserve to win the argument because of the time and thought put into it. I can't argue with your points 1 and 2 and concede defeat!
The problem is what to do today. Leave Iraq the way it is and get out?
Regards Split
Hi Splitlink, I don't see it as winning or losing the argument but just explain the events and showing the US for it's true colours. Ms Rice today said it perceives Iran as the biggest threat to US interests in the Middle East. Which is spot on in my opinion. Slightly different to saying it's a threat peace in the ME which is how it is normally quoted.
Thank you for your kind words and yes I would say we get our troops out of Iraq.
Regarding other Israel, I feel the Jews have suffered terribly over the centuries and even now they are so small in number. They hold influential positions because they work hard and contribute to societies they live in.
I don't think it makes any difference where you live or die. This thing about land is screwed up in my opinion. During the first world war, in the trenches we gassed each other to death. Now I can go to Berlin, by property become a German citizen and marry a good looking Helga and be happy forever after. Likewise they are welcome here. Makes you wonder why so many died in the most horrible grissly way.
I think Palestine and Israel will be the same in the years ahead. People will wonder once the oil runs out what the hell they were shelling and blowing each other up for?
On another video, they stated what I think in that Isreal provides strategic benefit to the US in controlling and influencing the ME. In the years ahead and perhaps even now as some have commented the support given to Israel may have become a strategic burden on US foreign policy.
In another 50 or 100 years from now US and Israel will be judged by historians as Hitler and Stalin and Saddam will be judged. Nobody gets away with murder. In one world or another one pays their dues. If it's not you now it will be your genes in the future.
It saddens me we can't live in peace when there is so much earth has to offer.
Let me put it this way. Think...
Imagine how good you would feel if you saved the life of another person who was about to drown or fall off a cliff.
Imagine how bad you would feel if you took the life of another person who was desparate and weak, because you wanted his shoes and clothes.
I'm probably sad and dissillusioned but so can life be at times.
Splitlink I think your zmag article is way off the mark too. But don't have the energy or the will to pick it to shreds.
I'll comment on one small paragraph.
The war began on September 22, 1980, when Iraqi troops launched a full-scale invasion of Iran. Prior to this date there had been subversion by each country inside the other and also major border clashes. Iraq hoped for a lightning victory against an internationally isolated neighbor in the throes of revolutionary upheaval. But despite Iraq's initial successes, the Iranians rallied and, using their much larger population, were able by mid-1982 to push the invaders out. In June 1982, the Iranians went over to the offensive, but Iraq, with a significant advantage in heavy weaponry, was able to prevent a decisive Iranian breakthrough. The guns finally fell silent on August 20, 1988.
That significant advantage was US satellite intelligence and chemical weapons supplied by Mrs Thatcher and & Co., with US full awareness and support.
Nice gloss.
The rest is a lot of bull and twist but as I say too worn out to piddle with rubbish. Telling lies and deceiving people.
I don't think Israel's lobby is a danger to the World. They are only trying to exist. I do hope some land for peace deal is brought about. As I say Jewish people have suffered for centuries and most of that time in the hands of Christians and Roman catholics. Israel is very small too.
I would also point out that with the money in the oil wells and the intelligence of the Jewish minds, that whole region could become paradise. Instead it's a hell hole.
If only people would see common sense and have compassion for ones fellow man.
Anybody notice how oil has gone up from $40 to almost $80? Wow.
