Irans capture of British troops
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JTrader said:
I agree with you 1000% on this JTrader.
After 4 years and $800bn collectively spent $ollars, Iraq situation is so much better than it ever was - so our politicians tell us. We have another 4 years and another $500bn to spend liberating them. They should show some gratitude those Iraqis instead of asking for help from their Iranian relatives...
They have freedom of speech so I'm confused as to what else they could possibly want...
Here is what the red cross has to say about Iraq...
Here is another great Rice blurb... Senator it is the Iraqis killing the Iraqis. We are only defending them from each other...
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Saw a clip from Sky News, might have been George Galloway being interviewed, or someone else.....
But the presenter was arguing that its not all doom & gloom in Iraq. Afterall, they can watch satellite TV now.
The guest pointed out that 600,000 deaths is a heavy price to pay for non sensored satellite TV access.
But the presenter was arguing that its not all doom & gloom in Iraq. Afterall, they can watch satellite TV now.
The guest pointed out that 600,000 deaths is a heavy price to pay for non sensored satellite TV access.
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When iraq invaded Kuwait, they said Iraqi soldiers were pulling babies out of incubators, and they've since admitted this never happened, but it was propaganda.
The disinformation campaign
They said that in Iran jews have to wear a yellow badge. Jews seem to have denied this.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=6626a0fa-99de-4f1e-aebe-bb91af82abb3
The disinformation campaign
They said that in Iran jews have to wear a yellow badge. Jews seem to have denied this.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=6626a0fa-99de-4f1e-aebe-bb91af82abb3
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yacarob1 said:
Thats right. Bush said -
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010920-8.html
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yacarob1 said:
The answer lies in Bushes speech pasted here...
I will not yield; I will not rest; I will not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security for the American people.
Freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been at war, and we know that God is not neutral between them. (Applause.)
Fellow citizens, we'll meet violence with patient justice -- assured of the rightness of our cause, and confident of the victories to come. In all that lies before us, may God grant us wisdom, and may He watch over the United States of America.
As one can see he only talks about God watching over the USA and there is not one mention of any other race or country. Sounds awfully like Osama preaching his rhetoric to me... How scary.
Just a thought... :idea:
What about the freedom and security of all the latin American countries the US has been interfering with like Guatemala, Costa Rica, Ecuador, Brazil, Argentina, Peru, Dominican Republic, Cuba, Uruguay, Venezuela, Chile, Bolivia, Honduras, Nicaragua... for the last 50 years...
People of Latin America have known nothing but fear from CIA implemented puppet regimes.
This talk about meeting violence with patient justice... What a joke. US marines are renouned for kicking in doors in the middle of night arresting whole group of innocent men - with their little children and daughters 4 - 5 years of age wetting them selves with fear, shaking in the cold of night as shouting marines wade in. And then everybody is taken out of the house. Marines then search for guns and gold. Anything of value goes into their pockets. If they find large amounts of money or gold or a single weapon, those men then end up taken away and usualy found dead in large numbers 20s and 30s. Usually, hands tied behind their back tortured. No accountability. We are told Iraqis are killing Iraqis. What a load of bull.
There is no money no work. The only work is for security or police, salaries paid by the US. They follow orders. Does anybody think these police forces are acting independantly? Yeah right, pull the other one it has bells on...
This so called insurgency didn't just happen it took a lot of effort to create by the US.
All for oil. You could have purchased a lot of oil for $800 bn and saved your self the honour, integrity and reputation of the country. Not to mention lives of all those now dead.
So so sad...
Bush and Blair will be judged by history and God... Amen to that...
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JTrader said:
This was the point I was trying to make badly perhaps.
The plan changed when the Iranians revealed the table tennis and chess stories on TV which made the report of the marines under cruel captivity difficult to support. And so reverse button was pressed.
I'm suprised we didn't see any of these pictures on the BBC. How strange...
We seem to see all other sorts of video TV broadcasts coming from ME televisions.
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The plan changed when the Iranians revealed the table tennis and chess stories on TV which made the report of the marines under cruel captivity difficult to support. And so reverse button was pressed.
I'm suprised we didn't see any of these pictures on the BBC. How strange...
We seem to see all other sorts of video TV broadcasts coming from ME televisions.
That wouldn't do the governments propaganda war machine much good.
Mainstream media seem happy to expose govt. corruption when it comes to small petty things, such as some saucy SNP MP getting up to nooky with 2 teenage women, Johnny 2 jags, PM's family property deals, cash for honors etc. but when it comes to the REALLY BIG & IMPORTANT events, issues & stories the mainstream media seems very reluctant to do anything that the govt. will not like, or what may cause social discontent.
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Attack on Iraqi Parliament
1. If the green belt can't be protected
2. If the parliament can't be protected
What chance has anybody have of security in Iraq? Especially civilians...
Rice has said we have good days and bad days. I suggest she moves her office into the green belt and sorts out the security instead of telling us about her bad hair days...
Send another 20,000 marines to defend the green zone why don't you at a cost of $130bn tax payers money.
Dim wits...
1. If the green belt can't be protected
2. If the parliament can't be protected
What chance has anybody have of security in Iraq? Especially civilians...
Rice has said we have good days and bad days. I suggest she moves her office into the green belt and sorts out the security instead of telling us about her bad hair days...
Send another 20,000 marines to defend the green zone why don't you at a cost of $130bn tax payers money.
Dim wits...
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I wonder who had the easier time. Why is there not video of Jalal Sharifi playing pool or cards and joking with his fellow captors? How can we preach righteousness to these people when we conduct ourselves in this way?
Jalal Sharafi's psychiatrist says the diplomat is constantly reliving the trauma of his torture, including mock executions by his US and Iraqi captors.
Doctors treating the second secretary of Iran's embassy in Baghdad Jalal Sharafi say the psychological and physical damage the Iranian diplomat endured are "overwhelming."
Reports have emerged that former Iraqi intelligent operatives had been involved in Sharafi's torture under the aegis of CIA.
The doctors told journalists in a press conference on Wednesday that it may take years for Sharafi to recover from the ordeal he went through while in US custody in Baghdad.
Doctor Ali-Reza Hosseini, a dermatologist and Doctor Ali Sharifi a trained psychiatrist, explained the medical procedures the Iranian official has undergone in light of the injuries he sustained while imprisoned by US forces.
Doctor Hosseini maintained that Sharafi has undergone continuous medical examinations considering the serious condition he was in after returning to Iran upon his released on April 3, 2007.
According to Hosseini, a thorough medical examination shows scars and deep wounds on Sharafi's head, nose, ear, and dark bruises on his back which are clear indicators that he was severely beaten in those areas.
According to Sharafi's personal physician, the sudden weight loss the Iranian diplomat experienced is a sign that his body was under constant and severe pressure.
Doctor Hosseini revealed that Sharafi suffered from intestinal bleeding as a result of the severe blows he suffered on his sides and stomach.
Meanwhile, Sharafi's psychiatrist stated that his patient is a true victim of "intense psychological torture."
According to Doctor Ali Sharifi, unlike a normal prisoner who knows the identity of his captors and what he is up against, the Iranian diplomat was never charged with any crime and was completely left in the dark regarding his fate which all mounts up to psychological torture.
Throughout the 57 days Sharafi endured these excruciating circumstances most of which was spent in solitary confinement without light, sound or anything to read, the diplomat is partly deprived of his senses, his psychiatrist said.
The experience has left a damaging effect on Sharafi, who is continually reliving the trauma of his torture and sleep deprivations, solitary confinements and mock executions, causing problems in seeing and hearing for the official, the psychologist said.
The second secretary at Iran's Baghdad embassy gave a detailed account of beatings and interrogations, including being whipped on his feet with cables, gagged and threatened with his life.
A frail looking Sharafi who was brought to the press conference in a wheelchair said, "They tied my feet and hands and lashed my soles hundreds of times with cables and kicked and punched me."
The Iranian official who went missing in Baghdad more than two months back also showed traces of slash marks on his back.
Sharafi revealed that his captors "performed mock executions while my eyes were blindfolded and my hands and feet were bound.'' He said the drill torture occurred early in his captivity, and beatings took place throughout. Sharafi showed reporters nine holes in his ankle and foot he said were caused by a drill.
According to the diplomat's psychiatrist, exposing Sharafi to mock executions and threatening to give him to wild dogs along with food and sleep deprivation, has damaged parts of his brain.
The diplomat's psychologist asserted that Sharafi is extremely sensitive to sound, adding, "every time a door opens or closes he jumps up" as he is being reminded of the time his captors would come into his cell to torture him.
The psychologist also pointed to the fact that Sharifi is currently suffering from acute stress disorder for which he said may need to undergo months if not years of therapy.
Sharafi has repeatedly said that a U.S. official had been present when holes were drilled into his feet. The 40-year old diplomat stated that "The American began with a soft attitude at first but turned harsh "when he could not get what he wanted from me."
Jalal Sharafi, was released nine days ago, more than two months after armed gunmen wearing uniforms of the elite Iraqi Commando Battalion abducted the diplomat in central Baghdad where he was carrying a gift for his daughter.
Meanwhile, the head of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) delegation, Peter Stocker, visited Sharafi at an Iranian hospital, where he has been treated for injuries he sustained while in US custody in Iraq.
Stocker, who had personally examined Sharafi, told an AP correspondent that the Iranian official's wounds "happened during his detention," in Iraq.
Jalal Sharafi's psychiatrist says the diplomat is constantly reliving the trauma of his torture, including mock executions by his US and Iraqi captors.
Doctors treating the second secretary of Iran's embassy in Baghdad Jalal Sharafi say the psychological and physical damage the Iranian diplomat endured are "overwhelming."
Reports have emerged that former Iraqi intelligent operatives had been involved in Sharafi's torture under the aegis of CIA.
The doctors told journalists in a press conference on Wednesday that it may take years for Sharafi to recover from the ordeal he went through while in US custody in Baghdad.
Doctor Ali-Reza Hosseini, a dermatologist and Doctor Ali Sharifi a trained psychiatrist, explained the medical procedures the Iranian official has undergone in light of the injuries he sustained while imprisoned by US forces.
Doctor Hosseini maintained that Sharafi has undergone continuous medical examinations considering the serious condition he was in after returning to Iran upon his released on April 3, 2007.
According to Hosseini, a thorough medical examination shows scars and deep wounds on Sharafi's head, nose, ear, and dark bruises on his back which are clear indicators that he was severely beaten in those areas.
According to Sharafi's personal physician, the sudden weight loss the Iranian diplomat experienced is a sign that his body was under constant and severe pressure.
Doctor Hosseini revealed that Sharafi suffered from intestinal bleeding as a result of the severe blows he suffered on his sides and stomach.
Meanwhile, Sharafi's psychiatrist stated that his patient is a true victim of "intense psychological torture."
According to Doctor Ali Sharifi, unlike a normal prisoner who knows the identity of his captors and what he is up against, the Iranian diplomat was never charged with any crime and was completely left in the dark regarding his fate which all mounts up to psychological torture.
Throughout the 57 days Sharafi endured these excruciating circumstances most of which was spent in solitary confinement without light, sound or anything to read, the diplomat is partly deprived of his senses, his psychiatrist said.
The experience has left a damaging effect on Sharafi, who is continually reliving the trauma of his torture and sleep deprivations, solitary confinements and mock executions, causing problems in seeing and hearing for the official, the psychologist said.
The second secretary at Iran's Baghdad embassy gave a detailed account of beatings and interrogations, including being whipped on his feet with cables, gagged and threatened with his life.
A frail looking Sharafi who was brought to the press conference in a wheelchair said, "They tied my feet and hands and lashed my soles hundreds of times with cables and kicked and punched me."
The Iranian official who went missing in Baghdad more than two months back also showed traces of slash marks on his back.
Sharafi revealed that his captors "performed mock executions while my eyes were blindfolded and my hands and feet were bound.'' He said the drill torture occurred early in his captivity, and beatings took place throughout. Sharafi showed reporters nine holes in his ankle and foot he said were caused by a drill.
According to the diplomat's psychiatrist, exposing Sharafi to mock executions and threatening to give him to wild dogs along with food and sleep deprivation, has damaged parts of his brain.
The diplomat's psychologist asserted that Sharafi is extremely sensitive to sound, adding, "every time a door opens or closes he jumps up" as he is being reminded of the time his captors would come into his cell to torture him.
The psychologist also pointed to the fact that Sharifi is currently suffering from acute stress disorder for which he said may need to undergo months if not years of therapy.
Sharafi has repeatedly said that a U.S. official had been present when holes were drilled into his feet. The 40-year old diplomat stated that "The American began with a soft attitude at first but turned harsh "when he could not get what he wanted from me."
Jalal Sharafi, was released nine days ago, more than two months after armed gunmen wearing uniforms of the elite Iraqi Commando Battalion abducted the diplomat in central Baghdad where he was carrying a gift for his daughter.
Meanwhile, the head of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) delegation, Peter Stocker, visited Sharafi at an Iranian hospital, where he has been treated for injuries he sustained while in US custody in Iraq.
Stocker, who had personally examined Sharafi, told an AP correspondent that the Iranian official's wounds "happened during his detention," in Iraq.
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TWI said:
I read the alleged write up on the BBC site and then saw his injuries on satellite TV.
The BBC leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to unbiased accurate independent news. This is why I watch foreign stations on Sat TV. (I get about 2000 of them with a motorised dish out in the garden. )
The drills on his feet they said could not be verified. Well unless they used hollywood make up artists, those skin colourations and portrudings looked pretty real to me. Like skin sores or mega zits blow torched.
The drill marks were at the ankles and balls of his feet. Horrific.
I also saw marks to his back. You could see some bruising and internal bleeding.
Finally, the eyes and body language never lie. Unless he was trained as a Shakespearan or Hollywood actor, he looked very quiet and out of place even in the wheel chair. Eye contacts were minimal like a dog that's just been slapped with his tails and ears down.
Compare that to the UK soldiers when they were released all happy and smiles shaking hands saying thank you and waving to the cameras....
Either good propoganda for the Iranians or the US admin and CIA are in denial...
The truth is indeed out there somewhere.
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ridiculous job
Hi JTrader,
sorry to be picky, but if the military is a ridiculous job how do we defend ourselves,
Peace is a nice idea ,but the human race is not a peaceful group , leave two people in a room and they will eventualy argue, road rage , shopping rage, mobile rage,the human condition is an unhappy one made worse by govenment,( ANY GOVENMENT,) but alas without it we will all fight anyway.
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Hi JTrader,
sorry to be picky, but if the military is a ridiculous job how do we defend ourselves,
Peace is a nice idea ,but the human race is not a peaceful group , leave two people in a room and they will eventualy argue, road rage , shopping rage, mobile rage,the human condition is an unhappy one made worse by govenment,( ANY GOVENMENT,) but alas without it we will all fight anyway.
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Treat big problems lightly & small matters with serious attention, A small one then?
hmm, do we feel angry about this? Do we feel like beating the ****ers head in at the complete bollox of western freedom & democracy national anthems .
(count to 10)
4. is it illegal to use torture under international law? Maybe they should put those who do and sanction the torture in a room full of mirros and leave em, give them food and water, and so they can watch themselves go mad.
good grief, aint people funny? whats the best approach ,"an eye for an eye" or "forgive them father for they know not what they do" ?
The more you see of these things the greater the distance it puts between knowing right & wrong. Theres no grey fuzzy line obscuring the truth of the matter.
Unless its human nature to torture ? And maybe we are just becomming soft with crazy ideolgy of living at peace with our neighbours. But, the western world wants the people to embrace, nurture these qualities , so people can know peace and freedom within and through this will be able to be at peace with all others.
BUT, another but , how come they torture humans ? ohh what is this the road to peace and freedom then ? what ****ing study book have they been reading?
Wonder if the US will use images of humans having their feet drilled in their "Living the american dream" promo's ? Heeeeeres Jonnny (with a selection of power tools, me and a couple of bad ass hommies are gonna get mother ****in bad on your ass.)
I tell you what though, its the right slogan, they are ****ing dreaming alright. Just a shame that the reality reads that their dreams are being financed by other peoples nightmares.
TWI said:
hmm, do we feel angry about this? Do we feel like beating the ****ers head in at the complete bollox of western freedom & democracy national anthems .
(count to 10)
4. is it illegal to use torture under international law? Maybe they should put those who do and sanction the torture in a room full of mirros and leave em, give them food and water, and so they can watch themselves go mad.
good grief, aint people funny? whats the best approach ,"an eye for an eye" or "forgive them father for they know not what they do" ?
The more you see of these things the greater the distance it puts between knowing right & wrong. Theres no grey fuzzy line obscuring the truth of the matter.
Unless its human nature to torture ? And maybe we are just becomming soft with crazy ideolgy of living at peace with our neighbours. But, the western world wants the people to embrace, nurture these qualities , so people can know peace and freedom within and through this will be able to be at peace with all others.
BUT, another but , how come they torture humans ? ohh what is this the road to peace and freedom then ? what ****ing study book have they been reading?
Wonder if the US will use images of humans having their feet drilled in their "Living the american dream" promo's ? Heeeeeres Jonnny (with a selection of power tools, me and a couple of bad ass hommies are gonna get mother ****in bad on your ass.)
I tell you what though, its the right slogan, they are ****ing dreaming alright. Just a shame that the reality reads that their dreams are being financed by other peoples nightmares.
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The BIG BOOK
Genesis, chapter one verse one.
In the beginning, yes worlds & man and all that, man then a power drill he did create and doth drilleth holes in his neigbours feet.
ehh, what , err I see. umm. crikey.
Crap Buddist said:
Genesis, chapter one verse one.
In the beginning, yes worlds & man and all that, man then a power drill he did create and doth drilleth holes in his neigbours feet.
ehh, what , err I see. umm. crikey.