Can the Labour party re-invent Socialism ?

[Pat494]

You do not divert water to drought stricken areas. Water is a commodity. You have to pay for it. If you can't afford or do not have it naturally, then you don't get it. This is not socislism. It is not handed to you because you are a member state.
Some cities up "norf" have severe water rationing, whilst most cities around me are doing fine as if there was not a drought. They have a good water table.

Sadly capitalism doesn't encourage the Fed Govt to help even if it is costing billions in lost fruit growing in Cali alone



California already voted in a high speed bullet train from San Francisco to San Diego.

Why not a 800 mph train across the US to New York. Think big. Call us up if you need the technology.



How fast is your internet connection?

Little South Korea has speeds in 3 figures, what's yours ?



Even people who are against the war, think there are more pertinent things than this.

The US has wasted trillions of their taxpayers dollars plus thousands of lives in the Middle East and achieved nothing. Time to stop, which even the ultra moronic can understand.



Why would we want to reduce the prison population?

Surely the costs and wasted lives would answer that question ?





Calling him chump speaks more about you than him.

He can't be trusted to say anything of any use ergo he is a chump and so are you

 

[Pat494]

Corbyn is still supporting Clause IV. For those that don't know, it is a commitment to the State control of business. While many bosses are vastly overpaid, this is surely going too far in the other direction.

 

[0007]

Corbyn is still supporting Clause IV. For those that don't know, it is a commitment to the State control of business. While many bosses are vastly overpaid, this is surely going too far in the other direction.

He would most likely have to enact clause 4 through buying utilities at way below their worth (the post-war Labour government got away with this because they were basket cases) but the situation is different now. He would probably be aided by the UK's ensuing debased currency following pretty quickly after his election – but no problem, they could always print some more money (his Chancellor might even invent a new technical name for quantitative easing to confuse the punters). No doubt we would soon return to a rerun of the 1970s – I remember so well power cuts every day and rubbish British cars. I had a friend who used to say "why buy British when you can buy the best" – I think he meant VW.


But you need to look on the bright side: a re-emergent Maggie Thatcher of the 2030s could sell it all back again and loads of people and institutions make a bob or two.

 

[Pat494]

He would most likely have to enact clause 4 through buying utilities at way below their worth (the post-war Labour government got away with this because they were basket cases) but the situation is different now. He would probably be aided by the UK's ensuing debased currency following pretty quickly after his election – but no problem, they could always print some more money (his Chancellor might even invent a new technical name for quantitative easing to confuse the punters). No doubt we would soon return to a rerun of the 1970s – I remember so well power cuts every day and rubbish British cars (I had a friend who used to say "why buy British when you can buy the best" – I think he meant VW.


But you need to look on the bright side: a re-emergent Maggie Thatcher of the 2030s could sell it all back again and loads of people and institutions make a bob or two.

Good points 0007
By the next election I expect Cameron will be so unpopular that Corbyn will stand a chance. 40% cuts etc. is just too much. One fool begeteth another.

 

[hhiusa]

He can't be trusted to say anything of any use ergo he is a chump and so are you

Like I said, it shows more about you than anything. Those that cannot articulate themselves well, often resort to name calling. You love to use excessive spacing. You only need one line between paragraphs.

Sadly capitalism doesn't encourage the Fed Govt to help even if it is costing billions in lost fruit growing in Cali alone

Yes, this is capitalism. We all know you are a raging socialist.

Why not a 800 mph train across the US to New York. Think big. Call us up if you need the technology.

You continue to show adolescent behavior. England does not have an 800 mph train. England does not even have what I deem to be a high speed train. High speed 1 averages 200 km/h. That is pretty slow for a bullet train. The California is building will be closer to the design of the Japanese Shinkansen. It averages a much higher cruising speed. The route between San Francisco and San Diego will take 2 hours 20 minutes. Additionally, it would be easier to build a high speed train system across the UK because it is

It would also be pointless for the UK to have such a thing. It is so small you can drive from end to end in a day.

Little South Korea has speeds in 3 figures, what's yours ?

You do not live in South Korea. It does not matter what South Korea has, if you do not have it. 3 figures is not a term describing internet speeds. I have an OC-3 line. I have speeds up to OC-3, but it is usually around OC-1. It is fairly inexpensive as well.

The US has wasted trillions of their taxpayers dollars plus thousands of lives in the Middle East and achieved nothing. Time to stop, which even the ultra moronic can understand.

Why don't you say that to someone who has served in the military? Better yet, you should say that to someone who has lost a loved one. I would love to see what happens to you when you do. Americans are not as passive most Europeans. Next time I will vote against anything or anyone appearing to give aid to Europe (Scandinavia and Germany is still alright). The next time you get invaded, you are on your own.

Surely the costs and wasted lives would answer that question ?

You always say things without thinking. If somebody commits a crime, where do you put them? What wasted lives? What is your solution? Post a real solution if you can. Not some parsimonious theory about how others should know.

He can't be trusted to say anything of any use ergo he is a chump and so are you

That is definitely a non-sequitur. It is completely fallacious. Ergo is used with syllogisms. An inference in which one proposition (the conclusion) follows necessarily from two other propositions, known as the premises.

Your statement should read "he is a chump ergo he can't be trusted to say anything of use".

 

[counter_violent]

Markets dictate all government's policy.

Every Labour govt in modern times ends in disaster.
Just try bucking the market system and see how that ends up (Greece)

 

[Pat494]

I am sorry that the electorate sort of rejected the liberals. Imho the centre parties are preferable to the extreme wings.

 

[0007]

I am sorry that the electorate sort of rejected the liberals. Imho the centre parties are preferable to the extreme wings.

I suspect they rejected Nick Clegg and his broken pledges rather than the party itself. But how fickle the votererate is: remember Cleggmania? The current danger is that there is no moderate party restraining influence on the Conservatives – already several manifesto promises have been delayed (abandoned?) and they are going all out to shape the political landscape while the Labour Party is ar$ing about.

 

[hhiusa]

I suspect they rejected Nick Clegg and his broken pledges rather than the party itself. But how fickle the votererate is: remember Cleggmania? The current danger is that there is no moderate party restraining influence on the Conservatives – already several manifesto promises have been delayed (abandoned?) and they are going all out to shape the political landscape while the Labour Party is ar$ing about.

That is what socialists do, ar$e about.

 

[hhiusa]

I guess @Pat494 ran out of adolescent-like things to say about my recent posts.

 

[Pat494]

I guess @Pat494 ran out of adolescent-like things to say about my recent posts.

It's goodbye to you ( on ignore )
They can't all be like that, can they ?

 

[hhiusa]

Thank God! Although most socialist probably don't believe in God.

 

[alexaherself]

They can't all be like that, can they ?

Thankfully not. Many are relatively normal. All up and down their East coast, in many big cities, they're relatively normal, really. And some on their West coast (in Washington state, Orgeon, California) are relatively normal, too.

Seems to me that it's mostly the ones in-between you need to worry about.

And let's not forget, too, that at five of their most recent six presidential elections, the majority has voted Democrat (ok, the Republicans managed to steal one of their two presidential terms in the courts, after losing it on the vote, but still ...).

I do worry about/for them, though. In some ways, America is "the future". They're increasingly multi-cultural, multi-racial, multi-everything, really.

That's the way the world's gradually moving.

I hope they can find a way to make it work: arguably, on some levels, if America messes up, we all mess up.

I quite like them, overall: they have quite a bit in common with children, really, when you think about it? If you look at them from that perspective, some of them become far more tolerable?

The US has wasted trillions of their taxpayers dollars plus thousands of lives in the Middle East and achieved nothing

Well, that depends on your perspective, doesn't it?

Many (including, apparently, several countries' security services, who warned expressly, in advance, of the risks of this kind of outcome) would say that "ISIS" is actually what they've achieved?

I don't think that's my perspective, though, to be honest.

 

[hhiusa]

Thankfully not. Many are relatively normal. All up and down their East coast, in many big cities, they're relatively normal, really. And some on their West coast (in Washington state, Orgeon, California) are relatively normal, too.

Seems to me that it's mostly the ones in-between you need to worry about.

And let's not forget, too, that at five of their most recent six presidential elections, the majority has voted Democrat (ok, the Republicans managed to steal one of their two presidential terms in the courts, after losing it on the vote, but still ...).

I do worry about/for them, though. In some ways, America is "the future". They're increasingly multi-cultural, multi-racial, multi-everything, really.

That's the way the world's gradually moving.

I hope they can find a way to make it work: arguably, on some levels, if America messes up, we all mess up.

I quite like them, overall: they have quite a bit in common with children, really, when you think about it? If you look at them from that perspective, some of them become far more tolerable?



Well, that depends on your perspective, doesn't it?

Many (including, apparently, several countries' security services, who warned expressly, in advance, of the risks of this kind of outcome) would say that "ISIS" is actually what they've achieved?

I don't think that's my perspective, though, to be honest.

3 of the past 5 have been Republican presidents. 5 of the past 8 have been Republican presidents. Republicans have been popular because they lowered the insanely high taxes from the 1980s through Reaganomics. People did not want to have a tax structure like Europe. Republicans control the House and the Senate.

 

[alexaherself]

5 of the past 8 have been Republican presidents.

And 7 of the last 13 have been Democrats.

Funny things, statistics, aren't they?

Republicans have been popular because they lowered the insanely high taxes from the 1980s through Reaganomics. People did not want to have a tax structure like Europe.

Yes, indeed ... and what went along with that eventually caused a worldwide banking crash in 2008: the deregulatory birds that took flight under the auspices of Reagan and Thatcher certainly came home to roost with a bang, didn't they?

 

[hhiusa]

And 7 of the last 13 have been Democrats.

Funny things, statistics, aren't they?



Yes, indeed ... and what went along with that eventually caused a worldwide banking crash in 2008: the deregulatory birds that took flight under the auspices of Reagan and Thatcher certainly came home to roost with a bang, didn't they?

It certainly did not hurt the deregulators. It hurt the rest of rhe world more than us. What do I care about the recession! We were barely affected here. Property values did not even falter here. You only feel the burn if you live in a low to middle income area.

 

[alexaherself]

We were barely affected here. Property values did not even falter here.

Interesting. No bail-outs needed, then? How did your car industry do? Detroit still flourishing, is it?

You only feel the burn if you live in a low to middle income area.

Like most of the country, you mean?

 

[hhiusa]

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Interesting. No bail-outs needed, then? How did your car industry do? Detroit still flourishing, is it?

You really need things spelled out, don't you? I said it did not affect anything where I live. I reiterate "the property values did not falter". Unemployment is half the national average here. Detroit is never flourishing. It is super poor. Why should I car about the car companies or Michigan for that matter? When did I say bail-outs were not needed? I did not say that or even imply that. Read more carefully! I care about Orange County, the property values there and the general status of the area. My neighbors are great, the unemployment rate is extremely low, we have as many sunny days as you have rainy and gloomy days.

Like most of the country, you mean?

I can name several places that were not affected.

California
Many neighborhoods of San Francisco
Silicon Valley
Atherton
Napa
Cambria
Carmel
Paso Robles
Malibu
Marina Del Rey
Coastal Orange County
Coastal San Diego County

Rhode Island - most of it

New York
Easthampton
Southampton
Watermill
...

 

[alexaherself]

When did I say bail-outs were not needed?

It was implicit in the words "We were barely affected here".

In a conversation about America, in which no specific location has been mentioned, people will naturally take the word "here", in a response, to refer to America.

Glad to hear that Orange County is bucking the national trend, though: that's hugely relevant both to me and to the irrefutable point I made.

 

[Pat494]

Interesting. No bail-outs needed, then? How did your car industry do? Detroit still flourishing, is it?



Like most of the country, you mean?

The US just can't admit their shortcomings and so will never change. They are still on Kennedy's foreign policy which was patently childish and if their friends mention it they get aggressive.