Will the banks be smashed tomorrow

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with the FSA ban lifted as of tomorrow (16 Jan) do you thikn the banks will be smashed or have most people who wanted to short managed by other means?

Have most holders sold ahead of this in anticipation and therefore most are now not worth shorting?

Or

will it not make much difference?

What do you think?
 
When are people going to finally understand that:

SHORT SELLING DOES NOT CAUSE PRICES TO FALL

It is a lack of buying support that causes prices to go down. If no one wants to buy at a given price then the price will keep falling until it reaches a level where someone is willing to buy.

The ban on Short selling did not stop the HBOS price continuing to fall.


Paul
 
When are people going to finally understand that:

SHORT SELLING DOES NOT CAUSE PRICES TO FALL

It is a lack of buying support that causes prices to go down. If no one wants to buy at a given price then the price will keep falling until it reaches a level where someone is willing to buy.

The ban on Short selling did not stop the HBOS price continuing to fall.


Paul

I would say all has to do with behavoural finance one of my favourite subject .....

we are are just humans / not machines/not god's just humans :)
 
Its the banks fault not the people who short them! Its like RBS look what happened to them because of their own actions. It's about time they took some responsibility.

mkhall

Lucky you had that stop.


For serious investors only: Stirling Chase & Co.
 
Surely basic economics says that, everything else being equal, when the supply of a product increases, then you would expect the price to drop?

Regards

Jeff

When are people going to finally understand that:

SHORT SELLING DOES NOT CAUSE PRICES TO FALL

It is a lack of buying support that causes prices to go down. If no one wants to buy at a given price then the price will keep falling until it reaches a level where someone is willing to buy.

The ban on Short selling did not stop the HBOS price continuing to fall.


Paul
 
I would like to citi bank how it handle pressure today!

Wow! they are safe again for time being :( 2nd time, can they do one more time!!!!!!!
or the 3rd time they are bust




Treasury, Fed, FDIC Finalize Terms Of Citigroup Guarantee

January 16, 2009: 08:53 AM ET


WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)- U.S. federal officials Friday announced that they have finalized the terms of a guarantee agreement with Citigroup Inc. (C) that would protect against the possibility of losses on an asset pool of about $301 billion of mortgage-related loans.

Federal regulators previously announced the guarantee agreement on Nov. 23, but in Friday's announcement, the Treasury Department, the Federal Reserve and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. said they have now finalized the terms of that agreement.

Additionally, the Treasury Department said the U.S. government will continue to step in as needed to aid the financial system amid what has turned out to be one of the worst financial crises in decades.

"The U.S. government will continue efforts to strengthen our banking institutions and support financial markets," it said in the early morning news release.

The Citigroup asset-protection plan is part of a broader rescue for the banking giant that federal regulators announced in November in a bid to help stabilize the firm and broader financial system. Regulators agreed to inject $20 billion into the banking giant and back up more than $300 billion of the firm's assets, which will remain on Citigroup's balance sheet.

In exchange for the rescue, Citigroup in November agreed to issue preferred shares to the federal government, adhere to executive pay limits and implement a government program designed to help make home loans more affordable for struggling borrowers.

In the notice Friday, Treasury said no new money has been committed and no government funds have been transferred as part of the finalized guarantee agreement announced Friday.

-By Maya Jackson Randall, Dow Jones Newswires; 202-862-9255, maya.jackson
 
Surely basic economics says that, everything else being equal, when the supply of a product increases, then you would expect the price to drop?

Regards

Jeff

Only if there is a lack of buying support volume.


Paul
 
Well the answer to the OP was yes they are going to be smashed!!!

It could be an interesting weekend !
 
Lloyds was up about 5p first thing, they got really smashed in the last hour, Barclays fell 30p after 1530!
 
I was laughing on Monday as RBS shares were 57p, closed today at 34.

I did think the markets would drop this week but thought the banks might have been exempt, like last week. More capital to be injected. The country is bust!
 
OK, but would you accept that short selling can contribute to falls in share prices?

Would you say that it is purely co-incidental that on today, the day when the short selling restrictions were listed, RBS's share price fell by nearly a quarter in just a couple of hours, and the other banks took a pounding?

Regards

Jeff

Only if there is a lack of buying support volume.


Paul
 
It was odd that they got hit so late in the day. I looked at the RBS and Lloyds TSB price charts at lunch time, and thought that people had been worrying needlessly about short sellers causing share prices to crash!

What caused the fall in prices to take place so late in the day?

And what do you guys predict will happen to financial shares next week?

Jeff

Lloyds was up about 5p first thing, they got really smashed in the last hour, Barclays fell 30p after 1530!
 
OK, but would you accept that short selling can contribute to falls in share prices?

Yes when liquidity is low. Usually it is not possible to Short more than a certain percentage of a stock

Would you say that it is purely co-incidental that on today, the day when the short selling restrictions were listed, RBS's share price fell by nearly a quarter in just a couple of hours, and the other banks took a pounding?

In my view it is coincidental because they were all hit with bad news and that is when the prices started to drop.


Paul
 
Yes when liquidity is low. Usually it is not possible to Short more than a certain percentage of a stock



In my view it is coincidental because they were all hit with bad news and that is when the prices started to drop.


Paul

FWIW I think bank share prices have dropped today because the cereal eater on Million Dollar Traders went long on Bradford and Bingley in October - Poincare, Mandelbrot et al knew / know what they were / are talking about.....
 
Barclays got smashed by 25%

Shares in Barclays took a sudden plunge in late trading today, ending the day down 25% amid renewed fears of a crisis in the banking system.

Barclays shares fell to their lowest level since 1993 – down 32.4p to just 98p - and dragged other shares in the beleaguered banking sector down.

and alot of others

Barclays shares fall 25% | Business | guardian.co.uk

OOOops
 
Perhaps there should be a new thread on whether the banks will avoid complete nationalisation.
 
what is the latest news with Barclays?? nationalised or not! what about Qatar?
 
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