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[maiden22]

I re-iterate, why are these people still being paid collosal amounts of money for blundering. Let's forget the blame and punishment. What on earth is bonuses for? :-0

This is a very fair point. The relationship between performance and reward seems to have broken down somewhat. Bonuses should be given for good results, not just for tipping up to work and sh4gging the business into the ground.

Mind you it's not just the banks. The FSA got their bonuses in 2008 and 2009 as well .

 

[counter_violent]

I re-iterate, why are these people still being paid collosal amounts of money for blundering. Let's forget the blame and punishment. What on earth are bonuses for? :-0

It's no lose...when **** hits fan the worst that can happen is reduced or no bonus...they still get paid wages for their incompetence mind. When they are seen to be making the business fortunes, then they claim bonuses.

The problem is the starting point year on year does not equate in any way to any previous values. So they could have 1 absolute disaster year versus umpteen bonus years. Something not quite right there I feel.

 

[counter_violent]

It was anything but a peaceful protest.



I was a union rep at the time of this and the mistake that was made by the leaders of the strike was that it was illegal. This is why the Labour Party would not support it. I fully sympathise with what was happening to the industry and I was very against it but what you are suggesting is that the law should be ignored and that cannot be allowed.

Scargill knew that he risked not getting a legal vote through and that is why he decided not to have one. To have allowed this to go ahead when against the law would have resulted in anarchy as more and more of the population realised that they can do what the hell they want without repercussions of it being against the law.


Paul

I remember exactly why the miners strike collapsed in much the same way as the Mrs Duffy affair was the final straw for Brown.

The miners had been out for months without pay as such and all the time Scargill was telling them to hunker down, dig in and keep going. Then the cheeky sod had the audacity to take delivery of a brand new jag...all paid for I expect from the subs of the miners union funds. That jag pissed off both the public and the miners and after that it was an easy victory as most of them finally woke up to the reality they were on their own.

 

[Ambrose Ackroyd]

The Labour Party has announced that it will decide on its future drinks choice by June 2011. The “Beverage For a Socialist Future” report lays out a clear path for the Party’s choice between tea and coffee, while outlining potential alternatives for those still unsure.

John Cruddas told reporters that it was essential the Labour Party take “as long as humanly possible” to choose between the two drinks: “When we do finally sit down, we need to be clear in our minds what we’re all about. Are we a tea party, or are we a coffee party? What does our choice imply? What does it mean to be a tea-drinking Labour supporter in the 21st Century? Is coffee a Tory drink? There are so many questions that remain unanswered. We have to capture the beverage zeitgeist, and that cannot be done in just a couple of months.”

“Personally, I’m neither a tea nor a coffee man and I won’t be drinking either, but I fully support the Labour Party’s long-term beverages strategy.”

The Beverage For a Socialist Future document outlines the procedure for selecting the drink available for the next Labour meeting, which includes an all-membership ballot to take place towards the end of 2010, with regional hustings in the run-up to the first ballot. Several rounds of voting will take place, representing 10% of the final decision, after which the unions will be consulted, and finally the Labour MPs present at the meeting. Labour Party officials have not ruled out the possibility of adding other beverages to the ballot sheets in the goodness of time, and say that they need “to meditate” over the ever-confusing list of options.

Leadership candidate David Milliband weighed into the argument, saying “Tea is tea, that’s fine. We’re fine with that. No bugger drinks green tea, and we’ve only got PG Tips anyway. But coffee’s not just coffee any more, is it? I mean, what happens if someone says – hey, I’m a latte guy but not a cappuccino guy? And who knows the difference between a latte and coffee with milk? Frappuccino? Flat white? We’re entering dangerous territory here, so it’s quite right that we should take our time over this decision. Has no one thought about hot chocolate?”

Ed Milliband said exactly the same thing to reporters afterwards, but added that everything he drank was “Fairtrade” only, which received a few “aw”s from the audience.

The Condemocrats have laughed off accusations that they face the same indecision problems, by mixing tea and coffee together and calling it “teaffee”. David Cleggeron spoke of a “new beverage situation”, telling reporters that “people are sick of us telling them what we’re going to drink, and they’ve quite clearly told us that they want us to drink something in between. Something new. Something inspiring. Something strong and stable. Something, well, frankly… I don’t like it so I’m going to sip at it for a while before throwing it down the sink and getting a coffee. White, of course. We don’t do black.”