Unnecessary and thus harmful forum sub-sections

Yes, I read all your posts in this thread. A forum is a place for people to meet. If you create, like trade2win did, 150 sub-forums, then people don't meet. People wander in this labyrinth, write a thread and no one replies, and next time they don't come back.

For example, Mechanical Trading is divided into 3 sub-forums and they're all dead. If they merged them, it would come back to life.
 
they may come back to life, but the evidence is clear how the majority of members conduct their forum activity. maybe admin can try a limited experiment and merge a dead section, it wouldn't hurt to try it and see how it does over time. i know where i'd put my money on the result of that though :)
 
Well, yes, that would be good. They could follow the example of elitetrader.com. I am not the only one saying this.

Look here, at their only Automated Trading section:
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=48

20 living threads, all those that can be seen on the first page. Here? 3 forum sections, of which 2 are totally dead, and one has 5 threads going, soon to be abandoned:
http://www.trade2win.com/boards/mechanical-systems-trading/
http://www.trade2win.com/boards/commercial-systems/
http://www.trade2win.com/boards/free-systems/

Yet this forum could be just as good as theirs. If it only wised up.

Once again, a forum is a place to meet. One place to meet. If you have, like here, 150 forums, you get 150 places where people don't meet.

Let's take it even further. If you have a section for automated traders, there's enough people to create a "community" here. If instead - like here - you create 5 sections for the automated traders from each specific continent to meet, the result is you simply keep automated traders from meeting. Here in many cases they created a room for each trader to be by himself.

The same as in Mechanical Trading is happening in the very important Technical Analysis section:
http://www.trade2win.com/boards/technical-analysis/

5 sections (with incoherent sub-sub-sections) and all pretty much dead.

I heard this objection: people don't use the sub-sections but the search engine. And my reply is always the same:

1) if they don't use them, it is precisely because there are so many of these sub-sections, that they're not effective.
2) if they don't use them, it's not a reason to do it wrong
3) if they don't use them, why create them at all

In short, these overnumerous sub-sections have the consequence of keeping people apart rather than putting them together. And if that is the case, how can this be called a "forum"?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/forum

a. The public square or marketplace of an ancient Roman city that was the assembly place for judicial activity and public business.
b. A public meeting place for open discussion.
c. A medium for open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper, a radio or television program, or a website.
If this web site has a structure that instead of putting people together, keeps them apart, confining each person to a forum sub-sub-subsection, then it should be called a... "dividing/scattering/isolating medum".
 
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elite may not be a model they would wish to follow. admin will no doubt be looking at the bigger picture. after all, at the end of the day we are really only talking of presentation as the subject headings are available for member participation if they wish to do so. admin know what they're doing as far as site presentation goes, one would hope :cheesy:

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Yes, thanks for the information. The fact that it's doing well doesn't mean it couldn't be doing better. Well, I have run out of points to make and I am repeating myself. So I'll be quiet.
 
yes! better is good, everyone on t2w will welcome more participation, agreed.

what we'll likely not agree on is how the site is to be better.

the most dead child forum i could find is sierra chart here http://www.trade2win.com/boards/sierra-chart/

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by travis theorum if admin merge that forum with its parent trading software it will be ok and come alive again and bubble with participation, er, where is the participation to come from exactly? all i see is a completely lost subject matter.
 
There you go, the Sierra Chart example. A perfect example. If the Sierra chart guy wasn't forced into his own little box, the Tradestation guy might be able to help him out, but they will never see one another because they're forced from the beginning into their own personal forums. And what kind of a "forum" is it if each user is stuck into his own little section by himself. That's a perfect example right there, the Sierra Chart forum.

And here's one more example, with my personal experience and point of view. I go to elitetrader thinking: "let's see what the Automated Trading folks are talking about lately", and/or "let's see what's going on in automated trading". I do this once every 2 months or so. It's not bad for elitetrader to get users to go there, just because there's a section with people writing stuff on it. At Elitetrader's this is normal. Everyone does it. They're bored, and they go check out their favorite section.

Here it doesn't happen. Or if you do it, you get disappointed and you don't repeat the experience next time. Because you find nothing happening when you go to the 3 equivalent places (3 categories that belong to Mechanical Trading):
http://www.trade2win.com/boards/t2w...w-feedback/t2w-feedback/mech...stems-trading/
http://www.trade2win.com/boards/commercial-systems/
http://www.trade2win.com/boards/free-systems/

So, here, as an automated trader, I don't have a place to go. So it's one less user. I suppose many other users are doing the same thing.

And I ask myself, why, with all the users trade2win has, can't they keep alive a small community of automated traders? And the answer is by all means: dividing the automated traders into 3 subgroups does not help.

If you apply, as they did, this same principle to all forums, the problem grows exponentially (and you get t2w's 150 sections vs ET's 30 sections), you add sub-sections and sub-sub-sections... and so basically you can see how harmful this thing can be.

The Technical Analysis section is the same. The Fibonacci guy goes there, sees nothing is going on, and never comes back. The Candlestick guy goes to his specific sub-sub-subsection and finds nothing either, and never comes back... this way no community is ever created, because no one gathers when there's no place to gather or too many places to gather at.

Sure there are still visitors, but how many times are they coming back? And how many more would they be if there were 30 good living sub-communities rather than 150 sub-sub-communities of which 10 living and 140 dead or dying?

If instead you didn't force the Fibonacci guy into his own box, and the Candlestick guy into another box, they might meet and realize they have things to discuss together, and other people would join in. But hell no: they have to create 150 boxes to stick one or two users into each one of them, so the consequence is that we're all separated from these walls they created. This is the opposite of assembling and grouping people -- this is unnecessarily dividing people.

I'd say it is evident that 30 boxes are numerous enough for creating order and yet not so numerous as to cause unneeded separation and isolation (which contradicts the meaning of the word "forum" itself).
 
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i am sure ther are many more forums in the same state. I think travis makes a good point. The number of registered users and the level of activity is quite far apart. It appears that only the regulars post here. Could that be something to do with the level of participation in the threads.

Surely there is a better way to do this.
 
Surely there is a better way to do this.
. . . And therein lies the rub. Any suggestions on that front are gratefully received.

For what it's worth, speaking personally, I agree with travis that the number of forums / sub-forums is excessive and that a cull is probably a good idea, Equally, I agree with L_M that while it might help tidy the place up a bit, I rather doubt it will make much / any difference to members's posting habits. That said, fear not travis, I promise to convey the passion of your convictions to Sharky when I discuss the matter with him.
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Tim.
 
Thanks Travis for starting this discussion and your efforts in getting across your point of view. I think you made a number of valid points, and there's some obvious areas where improvements can be made. I've drawn up a list of changes and will discuss these first with the staff and mods, then I'll publish them here later in the week, so it gives everyone a chance to comment on them before going live.
 
Just read this - I would agree that the over-specialisation does make it less likely that any individual forum will attract posters.
 
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