Two moving averages and the macd

EnlightenedJoe

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Nope - the chart shows you exactly what I said - the result of trading activity.

MM's marking prices up and down is not trading. Same way walmart reduces cola by 50% is not trading. Therefore the chart does not show result of trading. It show the result of marking up/down.

If you insist on the price mark up/down is real trading, then you can't be trading yourself because you don't mark prices up and down at will like that. If you are not trading then you must be gambling.
 

DionysusToast

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MM's marking prices up and down is not trading. Same way walmart reduces cola by 50% is not trading. Therefore the chart does not show result of trading. It show the result of marking up/down.

If you insist on the price mark up/down is real trading, then you can't be trading yourself because you don't mark prices up and down at will like that. If you are not trading then you must be gambling.

If an MM pulls a bid - price does not "go there" until someone hits that new bid.

This is what is known in trading parlance as "a trade".

Hence charts show you where we traded.

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piphoe

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Wrong. Quite often, the chart shows you stuff they want you to see.

For instance, you can plot the price of cola at walmart for a year and conclude the price gyrations are a consequence of customer buying activity. After new year holidays, they run a special offer on cola, and the price collapses. The collapse comes not from customer activity, rather from the shop wanting you to see a good deal.

This is true for all markets, sometimes they are influenced by trading activity, and other times they are influenced by the activity of the market operators alone where no trading takes place.

Joe, who are these "market operators" you speak of?

Does volume beget price, or does price change first to attract volume? or BOTH?

And, if its the latter WHO is changing it? :eek:

The reason I ask I've seen price fluctuations but on little (or no that I could see) volume. Price bouncing up and down a tick or two or three as if it's trying to entice me in?:confused:
 

mpups

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Joe, who are these "market operators" you speak of?

they are the guys with two phones

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piphoe

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lmao you guys NEVER stop :LOL:
 

EnlightenedJoe

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Joe, who are these "market operators" you speak of?

Does volume beget price, or does price change first to attract volume? or BOTH?

And, if its the latter WHO is changing it? :eek:

The reason I ask I've seen price fluctuations but on little (or no that I could see) volume. Price bouncing up and down a tick or two or three as if it's trying to entice me in?:confused:

The operators are those who can, and have the motivation to, move markets at will. The markets are moved by them for profit. There are two type of people who do that: 1, the MM's; 2, the original owner of the asset who rent out their wares for you to gamble on. They don't charge you a rent up front. Instead they make rent by moving the price against you.

Price begets curve fitters, and curve fitters beget lost shirt. This is why the price moves.
 

counter_violent

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The operators are those who can, and have the motivation to, move markets at will. The markets are moved by them for profit. There are two type of people who do that: 1, the MM's; 2, the original owner of the asset who rent out their wares for you to gamble on. They don't charge you a rent up front. Instead they make rent by moving the price against you.

Price begets curve fitters, and curve fitters beget lost shirt. This is why the price moves.

:rolleyes:
 

piphoe

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The operators are those who can, and have the motivation to, move markets at will. The markets are moved by them for profit. There are two type of people who do that: 1, the MM's; 2, the original owner of the asset who rent out their wares for you to gamble on. They don't charge you a rent up front. Instead they make rent by moving the price against you.

This makes intuitive sense to me, thx for the explain
 

darktone

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The operators are those who can, and have the motivation to, move markets at will. The markets are moved by them for profit. There are two type of people who do that: 1, the MM's; 2, the original owner of the asset who rent out their wares for you to gamble on. They don't charge you a rent up front. Instead they make rent by moving the price against you.

Price begrips the hold till whiners, and nomodough begets lost mi shirt. This is why the price moves.

This makes intuitive sense to me, thx for the explain

Me too pip (y)

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piphoe

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Hello,
Moving average convergence divergence (MACD) is a trend-following momentum indicator that shows the relationship between two moving averages of prices.
Thank you

In past I spent a good bit of time fooling around with MACD settings etc could never get it to work. :confused:
 

Fill_Or_Kill

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The operators are those who can, and have the motivation to, move markets at will. The markets are moved by them for profit. There are two type of people who do that: 1, the MM's; 2, the original owner of the asset who rent out their wares for you to gamble on. They don't charge you a rent up front. Instead they make rent by moving the price against you.

Price begets curve fitters, and curve fitters beget lost shirt. This is why the price moves.

"Move markets at will." Are you trading in illiquid synthetic products where you have a counterparty making a market at your request??? You must be an extremely wealthy guy if so.

Nah you trade FX.... so wtf are you banging on about when you refer to market makers moving markets at will? Who and how, exactly, is moving the FX markets at will. Ideally without riddles. I'm pretty sure you haven't the faintest clue.
 

EnlightenedJoe

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"Move markets at will." Are you trading in illiquid synthetic products where you have a counterparty making a market at your request??? You must be an extremely wealthy guy if so.

Nah you trade FX.... so wtf are you banging on about when you refer to market makers moving markets at will? Who and how, exactly, is moving the FX markets at will. Ideally without riddles. I'm pretty sure you haven't the faintest clue.

Here's a riddle for you: Walmart move their in-store price at will. It is their shop, they do what they like. This is truer for financial markets where there's is no real regulation. Huddling in a pool won't help you. This is why the return from a pool is barely better than retail.
 

itspossible

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Here's a riddle for you: Walmart move their in-store price at will. It is their shop, they do what they like. This is truer for financial markets where there's is no real regulation.

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fibo_trader

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Hi everyone. I am just starting out in trading and I have some experience although I class myself as a novice and I am still studying the different methods. I am having difficulty with one area in particular and I cannot seem to find an answer anywhere.

The macd indicator has a default of 12 short, 26 long and 9.

When using the macd indicator what is the best time frame in terms of using two moving averages on the chart above macd i.e. 6,21, or 50, 100 and so forth?

Whatever moving average time frame you use, should the macd always be kept in the default settings?

Sorry if this sounds technical or confusing, hope I got that out right.

Would appreciate any feedback. Thanks.


Macd settings should be default, 12, 26, 9. Don't bother with other settings.

Your 6 x 21 right-click/send to/outhouse. Only the 200 ema, that's it

Notice all the conflicting advice in this thread? How to pick the winning advice in this thread? See the star-rating on the right of each trader's name. Look for it. Its hard to see. The one with the highest rating is the one to follow. If he uses Macd, that's good for you since you are sold on it. Pick the trader with a star rating of at least 7, discard all the lower ratings. Then go to town.

Whew!
 
 
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