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Splitlink

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No, at that time it was different....Tories HAD screwed up the ERM, Poll Tax and all other issues....That economy failure was directly connected to ERM debacle and GBP being screwed to the hilt by Soros....It was a catastrophic failure directly attributed to the Government of the Day....

You did not need brain washing...It was obvious....

But now there are stories after stories in Daily Bile that are just nothing but brainwashing...and alarmist....Look at China and India...they are forging ahead on a massive scale....and what is GB reduced to..?...Talking about Calais and immigrants..!

All governments screw up. That is why the opposition gets in at the next election. That does not excuse the populace for its lack of interest in how the country is run. Everything is fine until the crunch. We are, all, too immersed in our own affairs to take an interest in issues of national importance. If that is not the case, how is it that a very small porcentage of the population turns out to vote?

Take, for instance, the promise of a referendum, by both parties, on the Lisbon Treaty.

There is not going to be one. I happen to be a pro-European, but that is beside the point. What will the British do about it?

Nothing. They will go into Europe just like that. The problem, here, as I see it, is that the opposition stirs the country up and then does nothing. The result? Britain has been dithering and annoying everyone else for decades on its lack of direction.

Go into Iraq? At once! Just because the Bush administration wanted to, Blair put his hand up then, because the UN wanted us in Afghanistan, in we go. So it is and, unless we take more interest in our politics, so it will always be.
 

zambuck

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My comments in blue italics...

You are right about the comments, but until the electorate is intelligent and aware enough, they will be easily led...!

All governments screw up. That is why the opposition gets in at the next election. That does not excuse the populace for its lack of interest in how the country is run. Everything is fine until the crunch. We are, all, too immersed in our own affairs to take an interest in issues of national importance. If that is not the case, how is it that a very small porcentage of the population turns out to vote?
Because people are NOT given real issues that matter by the Daily Thrash....Instead of intelligent debate and discussion on real issues that matter to their daily life, only thing you get in Daily Thrash is story of groaning Gerta whole lovemaking keeps entire Guildford awake..!

Take, for instance, the promise of a referendum, by both parties, on the Lisbon Treaty.

There is not going to be one. I happen to be a pro-European, but that is beside the point. What will the British do about it?

Nothing. They will go into Europe just like that. The problem, here, as I see it, is that the opposition stirs the country up and then does nothing. The result? Britain has been dithering and annoying everyone else for decades on its lack of direction.

Referendum was promised by everyone and nothing was done about it....But the real issue that matters about Europe is not discussed at all....We know more about Disneyland and a door mouse rather than our Europenan partners...We want to do business with them,,,we want to have the loudest voice in it, but we don't want to committ on same and equal scale...
UK either agrees to go into Europe totally, as a joint partner, following common Legislation, which all others have committed to do - or get out...But UK won't....because the daily 'bread' comes from Europe..!

Go into Iraq? At once! Just because the Bush administration wanted to, Blair put his hand up then, because the UN wanted us in Afghanistan, in we go. So it is and, unless we take more interest in our politics, so it will always be.

I was against the Iraq and Afghanistan, and that war was without UN Mandate and illegal war, which has shamed UK's standing in the world...It was a classic case of UK Lions following a US Orangutan.....
 

Splitlink

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Hi Zambuck,

I admit to being in favour of Iraq, it would be hypocritical of me to say otherwise. Nevertheless, I did say that we should not have gone in with so much public opinion against it. How is it, though, that the UK can go into a war against the wishes of so many?

We are supposed to be a democracy and although the government must have power to make quick decisions surely it must have its ear close enough to the ground to know what the country wants and act accordingly?
 

Mr. Charts

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I think Iraqi and Afghan forces should invade the UK to effect regime change and bring democracy to our country. The whole world knows the extreme corruption of our political class, their brazen theft of the riches of the nation and their arrogance in believing they are justified in helping themselves to state funds arising from taxing the population.
The democratically elected governments of al-Maliki and Karzai are appalled that even though they have some degree of unfairness in their own elections, the people of the UK have to suffer oppression by a Prime MInister who has not received any democratic mandate whatsoever and refuses to allow an election despite the people's wishes.
Units of the Iraqi and Afghan air forces will bomb certain areas of Dewsbury, Leeds, Bradford, Birmingham and Leicester which are being used to house and train terrorist elements. They sincerely regret any necessary and inevitable collateral damage to surrounding civilian areas but are confident the peace loving peoples of the UK will understand that such loss of life is unavoidable and worthwhile to secure the UK for democracy.
They have advised that all wedding parties should be postponed to reduce unnecessary bloodshed.
We in the UK should appreciate the loss of blood and treasure to the democratically elected governments of our two great allies Iraq and Afghanistan as their soldiers fight in inhospitable conditions to free us from the tyranny of an unelected leader and the terrorists he claims to be unable to control.
Independent observers have noted vast numbers of the UK populace are wearing red poppies to signify their covert support for the forces of liberation who have left their opium growing homes in far off lands to come to the UK to liberate us from oppression.
The wicked lies that Muslim forces are invading as some sort clash of civilisations and as a return of Muslim armies to Europe after five centuries is clearly nonsense, as are the allegations they are just after our coal, oil and Marmite supplies.
Neither will they impose Islam on the UK population, although the "temporary" imposition of Sharia Law to maintain law and order might be needed. Addtional benefits will include no more drunken rampages in our towns since alcohol will be banned and women will be re-allocated, as they themselves fervently pray for, to domestic and sexual duties. They will also save vast sums of money not having to buy clothes or make up as they will be completely covered. The only female face to be allowed on stamps and coins will be the Mother of the Nation, Cheryl Cole.
Most importantly of all, women will not be allowed to drive.
 
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montmorencyt2w

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That last bit should appeal to the Top Gear boys.
 

Splitlink

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I think Iraqi and Afghan forces should invade the UK to effect regime change and bring democracy to our country. The whole world knows the extreme corruption of our political class, their brazen theft of the riches of the nation and their arrogance in believing they are justified in helping themselves to state funds arising from taxing the population.
The democratically elected governments of al-Maliki and Karzai are appalled that even though they have some degree of unfairness in their own elections, the people of the UK have to suffer oppression by a Prime MInister who has not received any democratic mandate whatsoever and refuses to allow an election despite the people's wishes.
Units of the Iraqi and Afghan air forces will bomb certain areas of Dewsbury, Leeds, Bradford, Birmingham and Leicester which are being used to house and train terrorist elements. They sincerely regret any necessary and inevitable collateral damage to surrounding civilian areas but are confident the peace loving peoples of the UK will understand that such loss of life is unavoidable and worthwhile to secure the UK for democracy.
They have advised that all wedding parties should be postponed to reduce unnecessary bloodshed.
We in the UK should appreciate the loss of blood and treasure to the democratically elected governments of our two great allies Iraq and Afghanistan as their soldiers fight in inhospitable conditions to free us from the tyranny of an unelected leader and the terrorists he claims to be unable to control.
Independent observers have noted vast numbers of the UK populace are wearing red poppies to signify their covert support for the forces of liberation who have left their opium growing homes in far off lands to come to the UK to liberate us from oppression.
The wicked lies that Muslim forces are invading as some sort clash of civilisations and as a return of Muslim armies to Europe after five centuries is clearly nonsense, as are the allegations they are just after our coal, oil and Marmite supplies.
Neither will they impose Islam on the UK population, although the "temporary" imposition of Sharia Law to maintain law and order might be needed. Addtional benefits will include no more drunken rampages in our towns since alcohol will be banned and women will be re-allocated, as they themselves fervently pray for, to domestic and sexual duties. They will also save vast sums of money not having to buy clothes or make up as they will be completely covered. The only female face to be allowed on stamps and coins will be the Mother of the Nation, Cheryl Cole.
Most importantly of all, women will not be allowed to drive.

The trouble with us is that we are politically naive. We believe that all our leaders are as
democratic as us. If we thought about that last sentence, we'd worry about that, for a start. We are all looking after our own interests most of the time and, when we do look at other people's it is because we are alright, Jack.

Human nature is like that, political leaders have ulimate power, so are ultimately undemocratic. Socialist leadership is based on "Don't do as I do, do as I tell you". As for the Tories, they have their noses in the trough all the time and are, certainly, not interested in rocking any boat.
 

Trader333

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That economy failure was directly connected to ERM debacle and GBP being screwed to the hilt by Soros

Sorry what are you comparing here ? The ERM was a mess up but it did not result in a massive increase in unemployment with the UK now at the highest level of public spending in the entire G20 nations at 56% of GDP with the highest level of borrowing in history that will still need paying off in 30 years from now by our yet to be born Grandchildren.

Because people are NOT given real issues that matter by the Daily Thrash....Instead of intelligent debate and discussion on real issues that matter to their daily life, only thing you get in Daily Thrash is story of groaning Gerta whole lovemaking keeps entire Guildford awake..!

I know very few people who bother to read newspapers any more and the number that do nationally is declining. You talk about people being easily led into voting out this government, well I disagree. Compared to 2005 the number of people I know who have lost their job and cannot get any meaningful work is very high. These are skilled people from all over the UK including Masters degree qualified engineers, commercial airline pilots and other highly skilled people. Are you really saying that they do not have real issues and should vote this government back in for another 5 years of exactly the same ?

UK either agrees to go into Europe totally, as a joint partner, following common Legislation, which all others have committed to do - or get out...But UK won't....because the daily 'bread' comes from Europe..!

I agree but if you are promised a referendum then it should have been given and it wasn't and that is enough for me to not even look at Labour for the next election with their "You will do as you are told" school master approach to the electorate.


Paul
 

Splitlink

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Yes but, Paul, the Conservatives are not going to, either. You mark my words.

However, moan as much as we like, to change the system is a mindboggling task. We are going to do as we are told, at least, in the forseeable future unless we get a higher porcentage voting at the elections.
 

counter_violent

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We are going to do as we are told, at least, in the forseeable future unless we get a higher porcentage voting at the elections.

I'm not...I never do as i'm told...:D
 

Pat494

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QUALITY QUALITY QUALITY

That's what;s lacking because of our bog standard democracy.

The lowest common denominator gets itself elected and then everyone is surprised thats there's the usual ****-up.
 

zambuck

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Sorry what are you comparing here ? The ERM was a mess up but it did not result in a massive increase in unemployment with the UK now at the highest level of public spending in the entire G20 nations at 56% of GDP with the highest level of borrowing in history that will still need paying off in 30 years from now by our yet to be born Grandchildren.



I know very few people who bother to read newspapers any more and the number that do nationally is declining. You talk about people being easily led into voting out this government, well I disagree. Compared to 2005 the number of people I know who have lost their job and cannot get any meaningful work is very high. These are skilled people from all over the UK including Masters degree qualified engineers, commercial airline pilots and other highly skilled people. Are you really saying that they do not have real issues and should vote this government back in for another 5 years of exactly the same ?



I agree but if you are promised a referendum then it should have been given and it wasn't and that is enough for me to not even look at Labour for the next election with their "You will do as you are told" school master approach to the electorate.


Paul

My comments re on PDF file attached....I have been away and hence the delay...!

I can't post as there is some problems...Site keeps asking for one more digit and then does not allow me to post....Anyway PDF it iwll have to be
 

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Trader333

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Why not a Tax..?.

It would completely kill a huge amount of foreign investment within the UK and make the uk even less competitive in Europe than it now is. Can you imagine every time you wanted to pay your foreign employees having to pay tax, every time you wanted to buy something in another currency, having to pay tax etc etc

It is well known that tax kills business and the more tax you have the more business it kills.


Paul
 
 
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