The DJI tonight (22/09/13)

barjon

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Same here, f**king halfwit troll...
Out of hours bucket shop price variation...fk me :rolleyes:
Its dumb, plain and simple, don't do it.
For anyone else not aware, the OP is clueless:
http://www.trade2win.com/boards/spread-betting-cfds/179332-market-manipulation-13.html#post2192640

sure :LOL:. I guess out of hours is only of interest to a few hardy souls (except for stops/limits being collared while they sleep) but, if he really is doing comprehensive research into the price differences between companies and between companies and the index proper during hours, the results would be interesting regardless of the conclusions so far advanced.
 
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sure :LOL:. I guess out of hours is only of interest to a few hardy souls (except for stops/limits being collared while they sleep) but, if he really is doing comprehensive research into the price differences between companies and between companies and the index proper during hours, the results would be interesting regardless of the conclusions so far advanced.

Given some of his odd conclusions so far, would
you trust his "research"...

Said it before though, out of hours bucket shop drift isn't something
anyone should trade, and should be allowed for with swing trading.
Otherwise just go flat when underlying closes.
 

Mycroft Algoman

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etx 23:30 -15481, 23:35 - 14474, 00:30 -15488 (rose from 23:35 to 15494 around 23:45, then declined to 15474 around 01:50)

there's about 10 point difference at each of the times you mention so consistent.

Thanks again.

What we are also intrigued by is the 'refining' of graphs out of normal trading hours and what (if any) sort of cooperation occurs between them.

We noticed that many of our 'players' were 'bumped out' of their positions through fear engendered by these out of hours numbers.

Much appreciated.
 

Mycroft Algoman

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Given some of his odd conclusions so far, would
you trust his "research"...

Said it before though, out of hours bucket shop drift isn't something
anyone should trade, and should be allowed for with swing trading.
Otherwise just go flat when underlying closes.

Your input is not required nor is it appreciated, you have your playground in the other thread... by all means read, but please don't post.

Cheers!
 

barjon

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Thanks again.

What we are also intrigued by is the 'refining' of graphs out of normal trading hours and what (if any) sort of cooperation occurs between them.

We noticed that many of our 'players' were 'bumped out' of their positions through fear engendered by these out of hours numbers.

Much appreciated.

Correction of graphs is not uncommon where there has been a "false data" spike. People stopped out by such a spike will usually be re-instated, albeit that some suspect that only happens if they complain.
 

Mycroft Algoman

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You're right there!

One of the other 'ideas' I had was that we on this forum occasionally when one of us notices a discrepancy across boards we could get the message up, then those that want to can decide which platform is right (with half a dozen posters on differing boards a consensus of which one is 'out' can be made) and a tidy profit made.

It's not illegal, it costs nothing and will make one of our number the occasional pot of cash.

No point in not pooling knowledge and the Boards do it 24/7, so why not us?

Thoughts?
 

Vasco da Banana

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You're right there!

One of the other 'ideas' I had was that we on this forum occasionally when one of us notices a discrepancy across boards we could get the message up, then those that want to can decide which platform is right (with half a dozen posters on differing boards a consensus of which one is 'out' can be made) and a tidy profit made.

It's not illegal, it costs nothing and will make one of our number the occasional pot of cash.

No point in not pooling knowledge and the Boards do it 24/7, so why not us?

Thoughts?

Even if there are discrepancies it's very unlikely you'd be able to profit from it, and if you did the SBs would soon get wise. Why not just learn how to trade instead?
 

Mycroft Algoman

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Even if there are discrepancies it's very unlikely you'd be able to profit from it, and if you did the SBs would soon get wise. Why not just learn how to trade instead?

I have watched this readjustment and it appears to happen at given times.

May be they would 'get wise' but isn't that a good thing?

Greater honesty is surely an even finer goal than a quick cash return.

I can trade and I do make money, but sometimes people only learn by losing a few bob and if we can occasionally slap the Boards by taking money off them when they play fast and loose, it's all to the good?

Yeah?..No?
 

barjon

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I have watched this readjustment and it appears to happen at given times.

It's certainly true that SBs often have a bias in their price compared to the index proper and that those differences can vary fairly significantly between companies. I have not researched it but, from casual glances, those biases seem mostly to maintain for some time and therefore make no difference to trading while they are in.

It's feasible to suppose that if you want to go short you might get more bang for your buck if you trade with the SB showing the greatest bias on the upside since any readjustment (if there is one) will likely be more in your favour. What are these "given times" you mention?

All "ifs" and "buts", of course, and probably not worth the effort for a couple of points.
 

Mycroft Algoman

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The largest drop we've seen in the last 6 months was 27 on the FTSE, the discrepancy rose during a the 17.30 to 19.00 hrs and stayed until the spread became 6 points and finance was charged, even that still meant 22 points profit at 22.01hrs.

12 points is quite a common event, trouble is we don't notice them all unless someone stays up to watch (we record it all and look back for this sort of thing) but if it is valueless, fine.
 

Vasco da Banana

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The largest drop we've seen in the last 6 months was 27 on the FTSE, the discrepancy rose during a the 17.30 to 19.00 hrs and stayed until the spread became 6 points and finance was charged, even that still meant 22 points profit at 22.01hrs.

12 points is quite a common event, trouble is we don't notice them all unless someone stays up to watch (we record it all and look back for this sort of thing) but if it is valueless, fine.

Sometimes they forget to make the 'fair value' adjustment, but 27 pt out on the FTSE would count as a manifest error, so you would be unlikely to make anything out of it.
 

Mycroft Algoman

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Sometimes they forget to make the 'fair value' adjustment, but 27 pt out on the FTSE would count as a manifest error, so you would be unlikely to make anything out of it.

Perhaps you're right, but only perhaps.

The manner of its growth from a 2 point difference all day to the gross error was slow at first but gained momentum after the 4.30 close...

But the 'feeling' here is that after the 4.30 close the Boards wend their own merry way occasionally due to the number of positions that have to be paid when the boards are equallised.

Boards also 'appear' to damp down Eliot waves for similar reasons.
 
 
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