Spread betting Vs Futures

destiny

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hi
i cant get my head round why we spread bet when we can have E-mini Stock Index Futures? what is the fundamental difference between the two? can anyone shed some light on the pros and cons of each in terms of trading
 

marky

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Hi Destiny, if you look around the site there is plenty of information about the difference, but most people myself included start with spread betting and treat it as a primer for futures, it allows you get the feel of trading with real money and you can open an account with a small amount of money, but if your looking to scalp or trade fairly small movements unless your gifted you will find it hard work, i found if using a long time frame it was ok but didn't suite my personality, trading futures using direct access you get the price on the screen with the odd point of slippage and a small spread, the spread betting firms can and do move the price in there ,although they refer to the cash index i believe that they are really looking at the futures index, im sure there are more knowledgeable people on here who can add a bit to this.
Regards Mark
 

codexmorpho

Newbie
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one difference is tax. You only pay betting tax on spread bets, so spreads are large. However you have don't have a taxable profit (or tax allowable loss) at the end of the year.

Cheers
Fred
 

TheBramble

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There's no betting tax on spread bets.

There's no tax of any kind on winnings (should anyone ever make any) from a SB.
 

codexmorpho

Newbie
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Ooops, showing my age there.

Cheers
Fred
 

twiggytwo

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if you want to spread bet use a small % figure of your available capital for the size for your stake . stick with this and do not change , use 50% of your available capital for total margin only. keep the other 50% as back up do not trade the daily cash , use the 3rd month futures (at present March ) for all bets, find one Index or commodity only to trade and stay with it do not trade shares place bets in stages and when you close . close all bets as one total amount . this works for me, I have just closed 4 positions ( WEd ) on the Dow and so far my best run of wins before a loss is now at 31 bets be lucky and do not over/margin yourself. twiglet
 

CityTrader

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Destiny you are trying to compare apples and oranges. Spreadbetting is a METHOD of trading. And Emini futures are a PRODUCT you trade. You could of course combine the 2, and spreadbet e mini futures...
 

shazbots

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thebramble

" (should anyone ever make any) from a SB."

can you explain why you shouldn't make money from SB.?
 

twiggytwo

Active member
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Hi Bramble , the 3rd month gives you time, the cash cuts you short on time, my past records/ results have shown me that a bigger % of loss is due to the time factor on the cash
regards twiglet
 

philhackett

Active member
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eMini v Spreads

Hi
It took me a while to realise that it is difficult to make money with spreads whilst eminis are fairly easy. Once you remove the historic image of eminis they are the obvious way to trade! The reason being that the spread on minis is much tighter. A quarter of a point on S&P and half a point on the Nasdaq. If you muse a good systerm it is easy to scalp the Nas intraday.
Phil
 

TWI

Senior member
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IMO SB can only work for directional trades but if you run a system over time and compare the slippage of paying up the spread through a SB Vs. trading at the market you will realise the large PnL difference.
I use CMC myself when I want to have a punt in a market I do not have a direct connection to.
I spend my days trading LIFFE futures and the spread for those products on the SB's is so wide I would not touch it.
 

philhackett

Active member
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Depends on the amount you want to trade with. $5000 deposit = one contract at $50 on the S&P and $20 times 2 or 3 on the Nasdaq. The Nas has a half point spread. If you use Q Charts witth ROC 9
CCI 20
Macd 7 15 9
and volume you should be able to scalp. Not today though!http://www.daytrade4less.com/ is a good start until you go to the Sovereign Group for Offshore, I am told.
 
 
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