MT4 Brokers - Warning

I don't get this independent thing, its nonsense

t2w has rules, and moderators broadly try to moderate in accordance with those rules. If t2w imposed a rule that any member with an R in their name should be banned for posting between the hours of 3 and 6 on a Wednesday, you'd be moderating in accordance with those rules. What's independent about following orders ?

Like it or not, t2w is the way it is because brokers pay. Commercial considerations are already factored into those rules and guidelines.

I think what you are trying to say is there is no secret agenda, but that's a bit of a pointless exercise because some people will believe what they want to believe regardless of the truth.

Here's an example of mod's independency , apparently i have to quote it 10 times :

That being said i wouldn't be surprised if these so called brokers are playing games , IMHO these are not brokers nor you are really trading when dealing with them , you are just taking a punt on numbers .
 
When you get people believing that MT4 brokers "only accept trades that go against me" - it proves only one thing - the world really has gone MAD!!!

Yep.

Slippage, yeh sure.

But how does a broker know your going to win or lose a particular trade before the fact.
 
Yes that will definitely help the argument. In any case a holiday would be nice, anywhere warm?

I am sure you can hide behind a fake Belgian IP address in North Korea. It's not that warm but it is supposed to be heating up. :LOL::LOL:
 
Yep.

Slippage, yeh sure.

But how does a broker know your going to win or lose a particular trade before the fact.

Yes exactly, if they are applying a similar amount of logic to their trading, no wonder they're desperate to blame the brokers, and then attack the mods for defending the evil bast@rds.
 
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Here's an example of mod's independency , apparently i have to quote it 10 times :

You are not independent, you are enforcing a bunch of rules that someone else created. Those rules are broadly in everyone's mutual interests, but don't delude yourself that you are acting independently.

If I where to post a load of kiddie porn on the site, and all of the mods decided not to enforce the rules, and to turn a blind eye, that would be an example of independence.

A moderator making a general criticism of brokers, in the absence if any sort of official rule about what can and cant be discussed about brokers isn't an example of anyones independence.

This whole thing is a mess anyway because no one ever knows if a moderator or staff member is posting as an individual, or if they are posting in their moderator role, I guess it provides rather convenient deniability if and when needed.
 
An explanation of asymmetrical slippage can be found here.

http://www.nfa.futures.org/basicnet/CaseDocument.aspx?seqnum=2461

It is clearly stated that such practices caused losses to clients. Gone are the days when Tar and his likes could proclaim 'don't blame your broker for your losses'.

Sorry to burst your bubble :

That being said i wouldn't be surprised if these so called brokers are playing games , IMHO these are not brokers nor you are really trading when dealing with them , you are just taking a punt on numbers .
 
A moderator making a general criticism of brokers, in the absence if any sort of official rule about what can and cant be discussed about brokers isn't an example of anyones independence.
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Ofcourse it is , that's the core of the issue here in this thread wasn't it ? And it wasn't in general , check the list of the OP .
 
Ofcourse it is , that's the core of the issue here in this thread wasn't it ? And it wasn't in general , check the list of the OP .

Presumably, when you became a moderator, someone from t2w provided some sort of guidance to assist you in undertaking that role ?

If they had not done so, and left you to your own devices, it might be argued that you where moderating independently.

The moment someone provided guidance, and informed you of the guidelines that they wanted you to impose, you lost all independence. You became their tool.
 
Presumably, when you became a moderator, someone from t2w provided some sort of guidance to assist you in undertaking that role ?

If they had not done so, and left you to your own devices, it might be argued that you where moderating independently.

The moment someone provided guidance, and informed you of the guidelines that they wanted you to impose, you lost all independence. You became their tool.

Interpreting the rules is a total different issue ...
 
An explanation of asymmetrical slippage can be found here.

http://www.nfa.futures.org/basicnet/CaseDocument.aspx?seqnum=2461

It is clearly stated that such practices caused losses to clients. Gone are the days when Tar and his likes could proclaim 'don't blame your broker for your losses'.

The thread was about "they only accept trades that go against me" - not about asymmetrical slippage - you included that.

So you agree that never in the history of the MT4 brokers listed, has a successful trade ever been opened on a limit order - this is what the OP is claiming. I think even he realized the ridiculousness of his statement, that is why he's been asking for the thread to be closed ever since - it's just you broker haters that need to catch up.
 
shame the thread has lost its way...

so mission nearly accomplished
 

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and how it should be - if it was nt for unscrupulous brokers
but i guess we will have to continue fending for ourselves :(
 

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Has anyone been filled on a better price on a limit trade from the most reputable spread betting company out there IG Index? And have you ever been slipped? This is exactly why FXCM got fined. Because they didn't pass on positive slippage. Yet they hedge all their business with bnp paribas, who I have dealt with and their prices were ridiculous especially around big volatile moves. I'm talking 100 point slippages lower/higher than any other bank quoting a price.

I think IG struggle with slippage. The thin stuff (some stocks & gold) you get slipped big time ($10 in gold, few pence or cents in stocks).

Never noticed any positive slippage.

I used to call up and they'd put me through to some kid who would give a list of reasons why I'd been slipped so extravagantly.

Figured they only made a few hundred million last year. Tough times.

But it's not just "us" (retail) I've written cheques to Knight Capital for £20,000 comms tickets. It's endemic throughout the industry no matter what your "size".

Brokers are just trying to fight their "edge" like you are yours.
 
I think IG struggle with slippage. The thin stuff (some stocks & gold) you get slipped big time ($10 in gold, few pence or cents in stocks).

Never noticed any positive slippage.

I used to call up and they'd put me through to some kid who would give a list of reasons why I'd been slipped so extravagantly.

Figured they only made a few hundred million last year. Tough times.

But it's not just "us" (retail) I've written cheques to Knight Capital for £20,000 comms tickets. It's endemic throughout the industry no matter what your "size".

Brokers are just trying to fight their "edge" like you are yours.

Two way business. Commissions. The difference between retail and the underlying market price. They do this because they can. To be fair I've been slipped in gold and silver and they are legitimate slippages the majority of the time.

There was a semi blackswan event overnight on the S&P and I remember I had a ftse position with CMC. Because they price off the S&P futures. Their ftse price dropped around 100 points more than the underlying market. I got stopped out at the exact low after it had rallied 100 ticks about 5 minutes after. To be fair to them, they reinstated my position, but once your balance goes into negative they have free reign to go nuts. I like CMC though. Every trade goes straight through no problems.

I thought it would get better when it was all automated, but these virtual dealer plugins are beyond what's needed to run a legitimate Mt4 business.

I've worked at these places before. You don't make money off the one time punters. You make all your money off the repeat punters who want to trade with you because you're not trying to screw them over. IG are just lucky in that they are way advanced in terms of technology and products compared to the other brokers. Their spreads and service is way behind the likes of CMC and Capitalspreads.
 
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Two way business. Commissions. The difference between retail and the underlying market price. They do this because they can. To be fair I've been slipped in gold and silver and they are legitimate slippages the majority of the time.

There was a semi blackswan event overnight on the S&P and I remember I had a ftse position with CMC. Because they price off the S&P futures. Their ftse price dropped around 100 points more than the underlying market. I got stopped out at the exact low after it had rallied 100 ticks about 5 minutes after. To be fair to them, they reinstated my position, but once your balance goes into negative they have free reign to go nuts. I like CMC though. Every trade goes straight through no problems.

I thought it would get better when it was all automated, but these virtual dealer plugins are beyond what's needed to run a legitimate Mt4 business.

I've worked at these places before. You don't make money off the one time punters. You make all your money off the repeat punters who want to trade with you because you're not trying to screw them over. IG are just lucky in that they are way advanced in terms of technology and products compared to the other brokers. Their spreads and service is way behind the likes of CMC and Capitalspreads.

Is CMC better?
I tried them 'back in the day' but had an atrocious experience.
Brokers dont generally get a 2nd chance.
 
Is CMC better?
I tried them 'back in the day' but had an atrocious experience.
Brokers dont generally get a 2nd chance.

I dont know much about scalping but I think their no dealing desk is good. I know a bit about cmc when they first opened they didnt hedge anything at all and actually tooklarge losses. They changed that model now.
 
From my experience with them, CMC will slip 80 - 90% of orders.
 
From my experience with them, CMC will slip 80 - 90% of orders.

Isn't that both sides though? It automatically fills you at the next price whatever it is. I don't mind that. If it trades through my price then I should get filled at the next price. Sometimes it's in your favour and sometimes against, but at least it's symmetrical. What are you calling slippages? 0.5 ticks etc..?
 
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