Johnson’s Brexit timetable crashes in the UK Parliament

[GMoore87]

Once again, The UK Parliament faced two key votes on the future of a possible agreement on Brexit. In the first vote, Boris Johnson, achieved victory to approve a second reading of the Brexit agreement with the EU. However, parliamentarians rejected the three-day calendar proposed by the government.

 

[Pat494]

I blame that idiot Corbyn. Just a troublemaker playing politics for himself and NOT for this country or we would have a coming together of views by now.

 

[NVP]

I blame that idiot Corbyn. Just a troublemaker playing politics for himself and NOT for this country or we would have a coming together of views by now.

3 days to review that document .......c’mon it was a ludicrous demand from boris .....he’s fully focused,on getting an election now...doesn’t give a shit about 31 Oct......he’s just trying to goad the opposition parties and retain the fear factor in uk .....

N

 

[counter_violent]

3 days to review that document .......c’mon it was a ludicrous demand from boris .....he’s fully focused,on getting an election now...doesn’t give a shit about 31 Oct......he’s just trying to goad the opposition parties and retain the fear factor in uk .....

N

Opposition parties always have the luxury of being in a position where real decisions and governance are nothing to do with them. The problem is on this occasion that they have involved themselves in the decision making process by taking over the parliamentary business and timetable when it suits them.

Opposition parties are all running scared of the electorate now because they will be found out.

 

[tomorton]

I've said this before. The aim of politics is to get power. If you don't have power your aim is to avoid the blame: if you don't get the blame, power will eventually come back.

Labour must be terrified of being in power when the Brexit short-term economic costs start to hit home.

 

[Pat494]

I've said this before. The aim of politics is to get power. If you don't have power your aim is to avoid the blame: if you don't get the blame, power will eventually come back.

Labour must be terrified of being in power when the Brexit short-term economic costs start to hit home.

What most of the electorate want is good Government NOT some idiots playing " getting into power at any cost ".
Surely the interests of the country should come before those of power crazy politicians.

 

[Signalcalc]

I blame that idiot Corbyn. Just a troublemaker playing politics for himself and NOT for this country or we would have a coming together of views by now.

The Tories are as much to blame as the other parties for sabotaging Brexit. They kept Theresa May in power, knowing she had no intention of delivering independence. They also know that Johnson won’t deliver it with the phoney deal they’re going to vote for. A bunch of frauds.

 

[Signalcalc]

I blame that idiot Corbyn. Just a troublemaker playing politics for himself and NOT for this country or we would have a coming together of views by now.

When a lifelong anti-British terrorist supporter is a serious contender for prime minister of the UK, it’s fair to say that we have no standards.

 

[hatemypips]

Once again, The UK Parliament faced two key votes on the future of a possible agreement on Brexit. In the first vote, Boris Johnson, achieved victory to approve a second reading of the Brexit agreement with the EU. However, parliamentarians rejected the three-day calendar proposed by the government.

I think we have to prepare to elections and possible rollercoaster associated with them. Brexit can't go so smooth, I mean the breakthrough is not evident in the recent events.

 

[tomorton]

That's right, we're still in limbo. Or purgatory.

The polls put Labour well behind if it comes to an election. Just as MP's have mostly only voted against things they don't like for the last 3 years, the only thing that appears clear about a General Election is that the voters will mostly only vote against Jeremy Corbyn (or simply stay at home).

There seem to be two groups of voters to play for - Labour Leavers who might otherwise vote for the Brexit Party, and the Don'y Knows who might vote for whichever PM finally ended the Brexit deadlock.

 

[NVP]

That's right, we're still in limbo. Or purgatory.

The polls put Labour well behind if it comes to an election. Just as MP's have mostly only voted against things they don't like for the last 3 years, the only thing that appears clear about a General Election is that the voters will mostly only vote against Jeremy Corbyn (or simply stay at home).

There seem to be two groups of voters to play for - Labour Leavers who might otherwise vote for the Brexit Party, and the Don'y Knows who might vote for whichever PM finally ended the Brexit deadlock.

I have a nasty feeling we will be in same position post election ......hung parliament and back to square 1

N

 

[tomorton]

I have a nasty feeling we will be in same position post election ......hung parliament and back to square 1

N

I'm just hoping for a Conservative majority - we leave the EU and we keep the Marxists out of power.

 

[barjon]

That's right, we're still in limbo. Or purgatory.

The polls put Labour well behind if it comes to an election. Just as MP's have mostly only voted against things they don't like for the last 3 years, the only thing that appears clear about a General Election is that the voters will mostly only vote against Jeremy Corbyn (or simply stay at home).

There seem to be two groups of voters to play for - Labour Leavers who might otherwise vote for the Brexit Party, and the Don'y Knows who might vote for whichever PM finally ended the Brexit deadlock.

I’m not so sure, Tomo. Socialism is a superficially attractive and tempting proposition until you actually experience it in action. There’s a whole generation of voters now who haven’t had that experience so I guess JC and his hard leftie cohorts may well do a bit better than we’d like.

 

[tomorton]

I’m not so sure, Tomo. Socialism is a superficially attractive and tempting proposition until you actually experience it in action. There’s a whole generation of voters now who haven’t had that experience so I guess JC and his hard leftie cohorts may well do a bit better than we’d like.

They've already done way better than I ever expected. Hearteningly, the recent Yougov data suggests only 58% of voters who voted Labour in 2017 and Remain in 2017 will vote for Jeremy Corbyn this time round. Down here in Devon Labour is expected to convincingly lose one of its two seats to the LibDems, and the other - nominally a Labour "safe seat" - is currently about 50:50 with the Conservative candidate. I am encouraged.

 

[Signalcalc]

I'm just hoping for a Conservative majority - we leave the EU and we keep the Marxists out of power.

Except that Tories winning does not lead us to leaving the EU, we will really be back at square one with a new campaign to leave the EU.

 

[tomorton]

Except that Tories winning does not lead us to leaving the EU, we will really be back at square one with a new campaign to leave the EU.

Our exit deal was always going to be a fudge as there is so much trade between the EU and the UK and because the majority of MP's favour membership. Its also inevitable that a Join campaign will follow any exit, so I don't see the continuation of a Leave campaign once we've had a Brexit (any Brexit) as a deciding issue question as to whether or not to leave now.

However, once this Brexit deal is done, I expect the popular uninformed support for further specific breaks from EU alignment to evaporate.

 

[Signalcalc]

Our exit deal was always going to be a fudge as there is so much trade between the EU and the UK and because the majority of MP's favour membership. Its also inevitable that a Join campaign will follow any exit, so I don't see the continuation of a Leave campaign once we've had a Brexit (any Brexit) as a deciding issue question as to whether or not to leave now.

However, once this Brexit deal is done, I expect the popular uninformed support for further specific breaks from EU alignment to evaporate.

If there will be 4-5 million people voting Brexit party, I think we could be assured that the leave campaign will not have been won over with Boris's/May's BRINO, I can't see anything but that campaign continuing.

But we are in the realms of speculation for an election that appears to be the most unpredictable, who knows the actual outcome.

 

[timsk]

. . . But we are in the realms of speculation for an election that appears to be the most unpredictable, who knows the actual outcome.

My fantasy - and I accept that's all it is - is that the Brexit Party win with an overall majority and Nigel Farage becomes PM. I wouldn't be able to stop laughing for weeks!

 

[tomorton]

Latest Yougov data (use with caution) shows Conservatives and Labour increasing their support, LibDems and Brexit Party losing theirs. As of 01/11 -
Conservatives up from 36% to 39
Labour up from 21 to 27
LibDems down from 18 to 16
Brexit Party down from 13 to 7

(previous data 30/10)

Data pre-date Nigel Farrage's announcement this am but hard to see that increasing his party's support base.

 

[NVP]

still think we will see a hung parliament again in december.......the country is spintering more and more .....