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Re: Daily Candle/Bar Closing Time

Hi Jason,

Can you let me know:

1) At what time does the daily candlesticks close on your charts?

2) Is Sunday's price data shown in a separate candlestick or is it included in Monday's candlestick? Another way of asking, is the FX week represented by five or six candlesticks?

3) Are the answers to 1) and 2) the same for all your products?

Thanks

Hi GTG,

On all FXCM platforms with the exception of MT4, the daily candlesticks will close at 5pm New York time which corresponds to 21:00 GMT during the summer, and 22:00 GMT during the winter. You can change the time zone on to view it in your local time, but the daily bars will still close at the equivalent of 5pm New York time.

On FXCM's MT4 platform, the daily candlesticks will close at midnight (00:00) GMT.

Jason
 
Jason Rogers,

I though you are also offering zulutrade as an automated platform, correct?

why aren't you showing it as well?

Hi Robbert,

Yes, Zulutrade is one of our introducing brokers, which means you can place trades on their platform through FXCM.

In fact, many of our introducing brokers have platforms that you can use to trade with FXCM, but our support staff may not be as familiar with the particular functions of all those different platforms. The introducing brokers would provide support for their platforms themselves.

The automated platforms on the webpage I linked to above are the main ones that clients can set up directly through FXCM, and speak with one of our specialists about for support.

Jason
 
Hi Robbert,

Yes, Zulutrade is one of our introducing brokers, which means you can place trades on their platform through FXCM.

In fact, many of our introducing brokers have platforms that you can use to trade with FXCM, but our support staff may not be as familiar with the particular functions of all those different platforms. The introducing brokers would provide support for their platforms themselves.

The automated platforms on the webpage I linked to above are the main ones that clients can set up directly through FXCM, and speak with one of our specialists about for support.

Jason

Thank you Jason, for the detailed answer! I was really not aware of the difference.
 
Re: Daily Candle/Bar Closing Time

Hi GTG,

On all FXCM platforms with the exception of MT4, the daily candlesticks will close at 5pm New York time which corresponds to 21:00 GMT during the summer, and 22:00 GMT during the winter. You can change the time zone on to view it in your local time, but the daily bars will still close at the equivalent of 5pm New York time.

On FXCM's MT4 platform, the daily candlesticks will close at midnight (00:00) GMT.

Jason

Thank you
 
Hi Saj,

Any trader that thinks their strategy will be profitable in the future because it was profitable in the past is in for a rude awakening :rolleyes:. Past results are no guarantee of future performance.


Really? Do you realize that you just said? Come out of that office in New York, take deep breath and THINK about the words that came off your keyboard.

I'm just now getting to this particular area of the thread, but what you just said was a mouthful. You just told the world that they can pack it up, go home and forget about ever opening an FXCM Account for any reason and at any time. Why? Because anybody foolish enough to think that they can actually be profitable trading on the FXCM platform, merely because they put countless numbers of hours, days, weeks, months and years into discovering new trading ideas that work in back-tests using the FXCM platform, has a "rude awakening" coming to them.

Was that a "Fraud'ian" Slip? Or, did that just come from the FXCM Old "Slip" Address?

If I can't study for it.
If I can't research for it.
If I can't test for it.
If I can't debug for it.
If I can't optimize for it.
If I can't confirm it on a different platform first, just to make certain it works?

Then, I have a "rude awakening" coming to me - ONLY because, I trade on the FXCM platform.

Now, THAT was a mouthful - just like I promised.

You've got few interesting videos waiting for your paid reply. They involve the following topics:


  • FXCM -vs- DCFX Spread Challenge II
  • How FXCM Scams its Clients
  • FXCM Manipulates its Core Pricing


Huge topics and they bring up some very good points that I think you might want to address, as well.
 
Really? Do you realize that you just said? Come out of that office in New York, take deep breath and THINK about the words that came off your keyboard.

I'm just now getting to this particular area of the thread, but what you just said was a mouthful. You just told the world that they can pack it up, go home and forget about ever opening an FXCM Account for any reason and at any time. Why? Because anybody foolish enough to think that they can actually be profitable trading on the FXCM platform, merely because they put countless numbers of hours, days, weeks, months and years into discovering new trading ideas that work in back-tests using the FXCM platform, has a "rude awakening" coming to them.

Was that a "Fraud'ian" Slip? Or, did that just come from the FXCM Old "Slip" Address?

If I can't study for it.
If I can't research for it.
If I can't test for it.
If I can't debug for it.
If I can't optimize for it.
If I can't confirm it on a different platform first, just to make certain it works?

Then, I have a "rude awakening" coming to me - ONLY because, I trade on the FXCM platform.

Now, THAT was a mouthful - just like I promised.

You've got few interesting videos waiting for your paid reply. They involve the following topics:


  • FXCM -vs- DCFX Spread Challenge II
  • How FXCM Scams its Clients
  • FXCM Manipulates its Core Pricing


Huge topics and they bring up some very good points that I think you might want to address, as well.

Jason doesnt answer awkward questions.
 
"Any trader that thinks their strategy will be profitable in the future because it was profitable in the past is in for a rude awakening . Past results are no guarantee of future performance."

This is a slightly strange quote for Jason to make.
However I think Jason is a confusing the old SFA/IMRO fund manager's warning 'Past performance is no guarantee of future performance'
This was not a specific warning against strategy but a whole field of things that may affect performance, not least changes in market conditions.
A trading strategy may or may not be affected by these things. It may plan for them.
Ultimately as a prop trader listening to a service provider's views on market and trading strategy is a dangerous thing.
 
CFTC Seeking Comments Regarding Safety of Funds

The CFTC is requesting comments on additional protections for customers trading with FCM’s in light of the bankruptcies of PFG and MF Global.

http://comments.cftc.gov/PublicComme...m.aspx?id=1250

FXCM is encouraging traders to make their voices heard with regulators. We are also putting forward our own proposals to bring greater transparency to the futures/forex industry. At the moment, the CFTC is focusing largely on the futures industry. We encourage all forex traders to contact the CFTC about extending additional customer protections to forex traders as well.

Proposals to Bring Full Market Transparency and Accountability to the Futures/Forex Industry

1) Require All FCM’s to Publicly Publish Their Financials Once a Quarter:
Currently, the CFTC publishes monthly “Net Capital” reports that disclose to the public how much money a Futures Commission Merchant has set aside in capital. However, that report provides very little insight into how well the company is doing financially. By requiring FCM’s to publish their audited financials the trading public will know how much risk they are taking with each firm since investors will be able to weigh the liabilities along with the excess capital that a Futures Commission Merchant has.

Furthermore, the published financial statement should include everything (i.e. holding company’s financials) since what happens to other subsidiaries of the company can easily affect the regulated FCM. Each company should be required to provide a link to its financials on its own homepage so that the public can do its proper due diligence.

Too often, those FCM’s that are teetering on the edge of bankruptcy lure customers in by offering unsustainable gimmicks (dirt cheap commissions, account opening bonuses) that temporarily puts off the inevitable. Customers should be aware of the perilous finances of those FCM’s that would offer these kinds of gimmicks before opening an account with such a firm. PFG Best was a classic example of a firm that used such gimmicks as they routinely low balled their competitors with uneconomical discounts that no reputable, legally compliant firm could match.

2) Require all FCM’s to Employ a Top Ten Accounting Firm:
There need to be much higher accounting standards than currently exist in the FCM world. The Platt Group publishes an annual ranking of public accounting firms that could be used by FCM’s. Whether it is top 10 or top 25, the main point is that FCM’s must use a nationally recognized and respected accounting firm that could apply the same tough standards to FCM’s that publicly traded companies must meet.

While no one proposal will guarantee that a future FCM will not fail, these proposals will enhance the public’s due diligence capabilities by bringing greater market transparency and accountability to the world of futures/forex trading.

CFTC Public Roundtable on PFG and MF Global
Last Thursday the CFTC held a public hearing to determine what steps should be taken to repair the damage done by the bankruptcies of PFG and MF Global. I’d like to share with everyone some of the highlights of the hearing:

Better Accounting Standards: There was much discussion of auditing standards for both Regulators of FCM’s and the CPA’s who audit FCM’s. There was general agreement these standards need to be raised. FXCM believes FCM’s should be required to use a top accounting firm to avoid the kind of accounting issues that plagued PFG.

Additional Disclosure Requirements: An extensive discussion on FCM transparency was held and it is clear that FCM’s are going to have to make more disclosures of their books to regulators and to the public. The question is how much is to be disclosed? On the one hand there was testimony from FCM’s like Vision who publish their balance sheet on their website and on the other hand were those who were concerned that too much disclosure could lead to possible “bank runs” by investors. FXCM believes investors should be able to see a company’s audited financial statement once a quarter. Too many investors are forced to fly blind when they choose a Futures Commission Merchant or Forex Dealer. No trader should be subjected to this kind of risk post-PFG.

Insurance: Commissioner Bart Chilton released his proposal for a futures insurance fund on the same day of the hearing. Towards the end of the Roundtable the topic turned to insurance and John Roe of the Commodity Customer Coalition once again made a forceful case for a fully insured fund for the futures industry. As of now, Commissioner Chilton’s proposal does not include retail forex, but there is no reason that it shouldn’t. FXCM supports insurance for the futures/forex industry.

The CFTC will now deliberate into October before announcing their proposals.

Charles Delano
Director of Government Affairs
FXCM, LLC
FXCM
 
Reading through the comments at the CFTC a number of good points have been brought up regarding the need for additional protections.

Alex Winters made the following comment to the CFTC: http://comments.cftc.gov/PublicComments/ViewComment.aspx?id=58421&SearchText=

Forex traders should be considered in these rulings. PFG and MF Global hurt both Forex and Futures traders during their collapse. I submit that any protections offered to futures traders also be extended to forex also. While insurance would be the best protection the emerging forex industry shares the same (and more) insecurities. For this industry to survive and prosper we must be able to trust that brokers that hold our funds are solvent especially since past CFTC rulings (50:1 leverage) require that we deposit even more of our money with brokers when we have no way auditing their financial health.


The CFTC's requirement a few years ago that traders put up more margin to trade retail forex leads to the logical conclusion that regulators put in additional protections (disclosure of company financials, better accounting standards, insurance) since retail forex traders now have more capital at risk. This is a pretty powerful argument and I would encourage traders who leave comments with the CFTC to make it.
 
What's the point of further regulation? You ignored the regulation already already in place and defrauded your clients. You have still not compensated non US clients, when you sort that one out then you can start talking about what's going to happen in future.
 
FXCM's New Lower Spreads

Hi Everyone,

FXCM is now offering lower spreads to clients with FXCM Australia and FXCM UK (coming soon to FXCM US). Below are the new spreads for twelve of the most popularly traded currency pairs. You can now pick the execution type that best fits your trading. Choose No Dealing Desk forex execution which we recommend for the best overall trading experience, or the new Dealing Desk execution which provides lower spreads.


For those whose primary concern is transaction cost, the lower spread option is ideal. These new spreads are available on all our platforms including Trading Station, MetaTrader 4 and NinjaTrader. For a free practice account, click here: (Trading Station Demo | MT4 Demo). If you would like to speak with an FXCM specialist about our new lower spread offering, click here to chat live or call us toll-free anytime 24 hours a day.

Jason
 
CFD Trading Hours for Labor Day Holiday

Hi Everyone,

Just a reminder that this coming Monday, September 3rd is the Labor Day holiday in the US. Forex will continue trading as normal 24-hours-a-day next week. The holiday trading hours for CFD products are listed below in GMT time. Please manage your trades accordingly.

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Jason
 
I've been asked why retail forex does not have seg funds protection and so I wanted to pass along this brief regulatory history of the retail foreign exchange market:

In 2001 retail online currency trading was regulated for the first time with the passage of the Commodities Futures Modernization Act of 2000 (“CFMA”). This law provided that any non-bank firm making a market in retail FX transactions could be registered and licensed by the Commodities Futures Trading Commission (“CFTC”). This law was a step in the right direction but it did not in any way grant customers trading FX with these firms any funds protection in the event of bankruptcy as is common in exchange traded markets such as equities and futures.

In particular, the CFMA did not make any adjustments to the CFTC’s “segregation rule.” The segregation rule stipulates that all client funds deposited for trading domestic, on exchange futures or options on futuresbe kept segregated from all company funds and that in the event of bankruptcy the customer’s funds are legally segregated from creditors and must be returned to the clients.

In May 2008, Congress amended the Commodity Exchange Act (“CEA”) and created an entirely new registration category, the Retail Foreign Exchange Dealer (“RFED”), for forex dealers operating in the U.S. Neither at that time nor two years later when Congress enacted sweeping financial sector reform legislation with the Dodd-Frank Reform and Consumer Protection Act of 2010 were provisions included that could have provided for RFEDs to segregate funds for the protection of retail FX customers

The CFTC explained the reason for not including segregation of funds for retail FX as follows:

http://www.cftc.gov/ucm/groups/public/@lrfederalregister/documents/file/2010-21729a.pdf


“… Several commenters maintained that the Commission should require segregation of customer funds by counterparties in order to provide some protection in the event of a counterparty insolvency. The Commission’s segregation requirements with regard to futures flow from Section 4d of the Act which, generally speaking, requires that customer property for trading commodity contracts be kept apart, or segregated, from the FCM’s own funds. However, as noted in the Commission’s proposing release, a segregated funds regime cannot be replicated in the context of off-exchange retail forex trading. Unlike segregation of customer funds deposited for futures trading, under the relevant provisions of the Bankruptcy Code, such amounts held in connection with retail forex trading would not receive any preferential treatment to unsecured creditors in bankruptcy.”

This hiccup with the bankruptcy code is what is currently holding up everything from seg funds protection to insurance. More in my next post.
 
Hi,

This is probably been answered before but can I get a detailed calculation on where you guys get your rollover Bis/Ask rates.

Like say on EURUSD - ROLLB - 0.35 and ROLLA +0.58

Where do these figures come from and calculation??

Note the above figures are just examples.

Also on your CFD indices you claim the only charge is from dividends that occur within the index. Except I get charged/credited when there are no dividends. So that leaves me to believe there is a LIBOR calculation going on here - excpet one particular night I saw ITA40 Bid = 0.00 and ASK = 0.72.
How was this calculated?????
 
Hi,

This is probably been answered before but can I get a detailed calculation on where you guys get your rollover Bis/Ask rates.

Like say on EURUSD - ROLLB - 0.35 and ROLLA +0.58

Where do these figures come from and calculation??

Note the above figures are just examples.

Also on your CFD indices you claim the only charge is from dividends that occur within the index. Except I get charged/credited when there are no dividends. So that leaves me to believe there is a LIBOR calculation going on here - excpet one particular night I saw ITA40 Bid = 0.00 and ASK = 0.72.
How was this calculated?????

Hi Tmack,

Great question.

The numbers you see in the "Roll S" and "Roll B" fields of the price quotes are the rollover interest for a sell (short) position and buy (long) position respectively. More specifically those fields show the amount of money you would earn or pay in rollover interest for each lot of the currency pair you have open at 5pm New York time. Taking the example of EUR/USD, the RollS shows 0.05 which means I would earn 5 cents in rollover interest for each lot of EUR/USD I have open at 5pm. Suppose that I am currently short 60k EUR/USD. That's 6 lots, so if my trade is open at 5pm, I will ear 30 cents in rollover interest. Where does the amount of 5 cents come from? Here is the calculation. On the bottom right corner of the DailyFX.com homepage, you can see the Overnight lending rate for each currency. Bear in mind these are theoretical rates. The actual rates used everyday are determined by the banks.

eurusdrolls2012septembe.png

Below is a screenshot which shows the current rates for EUR and USD as 0.02% and 0.15% respectively. If I sell EUR/USD, that means I am shorting Euros and going long the equivalent amount of US dollars. I will pay 0.02% interest on the Euros I'm short, while earning 0.15% interest on the US dollars I'm long. That comes out to a net gain of 0.13% interest over the course of a year. Let's do the math for one lot or 10k EUR/USD. That's 10,000 Euros. At the exchange rate shown, that's 12,632 US dollars. I multiply that by 0.13% and I get $16.42 rollover interest earned per year. I can then divide that by 360 to get the daily amount and I get $0.05 or 5 cents as shown in the RollS field. Notice that if I am long 10k of EUR/USD, the RollB is -0.11, meaning I would pay 11 cents instead of only 5 cents. That's because banks markup the interest to earn more when they lend money out. It's similar to how banks will pay you a smaller amount of interest if you deposit money with them, but they will charge you a higher amount if you were to borrow money from them for a mortgage or a car loan or a credit card.

overnightrate2012septem.png

The calculations for the RollS and RollB fields on CFDs such as ITA40 are based on a similar concept as the rollover interest on currencies, only instead of earning interest on the currency you are long and paying interest on the currency you are short, you earn dividends on the basket of shares in the index you own and pay interest on based no the financing cost for purchasing that basket of shares. That is the case if your are long the CFD index. If you are short the CFD index, then you would pay the dividends and earn on the financing. You can see complete examples of the calculations for the dividends and financing on pages 5 and 6 of this CFD Product Guide.

Jason
 
Hi Tmack,

Great question.

The numbers you see in the "Roll S" and "Roll B" fields of the price quotes are the rollover interest for a sell (short) position and buy (long) position respectively. More specifically those fields show the amount of money you would earn or pay in rollover interest for each lot of the currency pair you have open at 5pm New York time. Taking the example of EUR/USD, the RollS shows 0.05 which means I would earn 5 cents in rollover interest for each lot of EUR/USD I have open at 5pm. Suppose that I am currently short 60k EUR/USD. That's 6 lots, so if my trade is open at 5pm, I will ear 30 cents in rollover interest. Where does the amount of 5 cents come from? Here is the calculation. On the bottom right corner of the DailyFX.com homepage, you can see the Overnight lending rate for each currency. Bear in mind these are theoretical rates. The actual rates used everyday are determined by the banks.

eurusdrolls2012septembe.png

Below is a screenshot which shows the current rates for EUR and USD as 0.02% and 0.15% respectively. If I sell EUR/USD, that means I am shorting Euros and going long the equivalent amount of US dollars. I will pay 0.02% interest on the Euros I'm short, while earning 0.15% interest on the US dollars I'm long. That comes out to a net gain of 0.13% interest over the course of a year. Let's do the math for one lot or 10k EUR/USD. That's 10,000 Euros. At the exchange rate shown, that's 12,632 US dollars. I multiply that by 0.13% and I get $16.42 rollover interest earned per year. I can then divide that by 360 to get the daily amount and I get $0.05 or 5 cents as shown in the RollS field. Notice that if I am long 10k of EUR/USD, the RollB is -0.11, meaning I would pay 11 cents instead of only 5 cents. That's because banks markup the interest to earn more when they lend money out. It's similar to how banks will pay you a smaller amount of interest if you deposit money with them, but they will charge you a higher amount if you were to borrow money from them for a mortgage or a car loan or a credit card.

overnightrate2012septem.png

The calculations for the RollS and RollB fields on CFDs such as ITA40 are based on a similar concept as the rollover interest on currencies, only instead of earning interest on the currency you are long and paying interest on the currency you are short, you earn dividends on the basket of shares in the index you own and pay interest on based no the financing cost for purchasing that basket of shares. That is the case if your are long the CFD index. If you are short the CFD index, then you would pay the dividends and earn on the financing. You can see complete examples of the calculations for the dividends and financing on pages 5 and 6 of this CFD Product Guide.

Jason

Hi Jason,

This doesnt really clarify what you have said.

Why did I see 0.00 on SELL the ITA40 if there are costs associated with it.
For example - if there were dividends being charged/credited that night then sell coudn't be 0.00.

If there were no dividends and only the financing was being charged - again this couldnt be zero.

Also my question related to the daily rates that you set.
You showed me where they were coming from etc but thats not what i wanted.
I want to know how you guys incorporate the 0.02% and the 0.15% into your charges.


Thx
 
PFG's Forex Customers told to Get In Line

Last week the Trustee of PFG's estate announced a series of limited distributions to customers of the bankrupt firm. Of interest to retail forex traders is that the estate is not making any current distributions to PFG customers who were trading off-exchange forex:

http://www.omnimgt.com/CMSVol/CMSDoc...333616_147.pdf


Quote:
“The Forex Customers and the Metals Customers, however, do not hold claims against the Debtor on account of "commodity contracts" and therefore, are not "customers" under § 761(9) of the Bankruptcy Code and the Part 190 Rules. Accordingly, in accordance with subchapter IV and the Part 190 Rules, the distributions requested under the Motion, discussed below, will apply solely to the Futures Customers. Forex Customers and Metals Customers will not be included in such distributions and their claims will be addressed separately as part of the case."

The way the law is written the trustee is justified in putting futures customers first. This is why it has become urgent that regulators take additional steps to bring transparecy to the futures/forex industry so that customers can have a look at their broker's finances in order to weigh the risks invovled before putting funds on deposit with them. Since the law is not designed to currently protect forex investors, then traders need to protect themselves. This starts with granting traders the ability to conduct greater due diligence. If regulators can mandate that brokers disclose profitability ratios surely they can also mandate greater financial disclosure.

CFTC to announce initial recommendations this week. Contact [email protected] with your thoughts.
 
Hi Jason,

This doesnt really clarify what you have said.

Why did I see 0.00 on SELL the ITA40 if there are costs associated with it.
For example - if there were dividends being charged/credited that night then sell coudn't be 0.00.

If there were no dividends and only the financing was being charged - again this couldnt be zero.

Also my question related to the daily rates that you set.
You showed me where they were coming from etc but thats not what i wanted.
I want to know how you guys incorporate the 0.02% and the 0.15% into your charges.


Thx

Hi Tmack,

I apologize if I was not clear enough in my previous post. Just as there is a difference between the bid and the ask, there is a difference between the interest you earn and the interest you pay. While the difference between the bid and the ask is called the spread, the difference between the interest rates is called the haircut. For CFDs, this haircut is 3%.

That means when you buy ITA40 the interest rate you pay is based on the overnight rate for Euros (approximately 0.02%) plus the haircut (3%) or 3.02% annualized (divide by 360 to get the daily amount). When you sell ITA40, the interest rate you earn is based on the overnight rate (0.02%) minus the haircut (3%) which results in a negative number (-2.98%). We won't charge you interest for selling a CFD, so we just set the rate to zero.

Please let me know if you still have questions regarding this.

Jason
 
PFG Best Losses Show Need for Financial Disclosure

As regulators continue to investigate PFG news is coming out showing that the futures firm had been losing money for years:

PFGBest In More Trouble As Liabilities Outweigh Assets | ValueWalk

QUOTE:

"Its financial statement submitted to the court, indicated that the business has been going down since 2010. The company suffered $2.7 million in gross income losses in 2010, $1.2 million in losses in 2011, and $259,000 losses during the six month period of the current fiscal year."


PFG had recorded three straight years of losses. And yet they had just moved into an $18 million glass and steel office complex in Iowa boasting some of the most luxurious office amenities imaginable. But because PFG never had to disclose their losses they were able to give customers the impression that the firm was healthy and growing, when in fact it was sick and contracting. Customers should be aware of this before they open an account. Particularly since there is no insurance for futures or forex.

The CFTC postponed their vote on additional customer protections this week giving traders a little more time to comment.
 
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