CFTR Associates Goldbars Trading System

Trader333

Moderator
Is this the one that advertises in a well known Sunday Newspaper as

"Who else wants to make £12000 per week spreadbetting ?"

I dont have any knowledge of them but I have learned through painful experience to always ignore anything with
"Too good to be true advertising"


Good Luck


Paul
 
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ChartMan

Legendary member
12 grand profit on a spreadbet accout? They'll throw you to the dogs and cancel your account...... Unless you've got £250K in the account, then they might just let you stay, on the basis that next week you'll lose £50k.......
 

mags_g

Member
Spead betting companies are interested in the amount of trades you make, not how much you win or lose. Although they would prefer you to win as this promotes more trades for them to make their profit on the spread.
 

mags_g

Member
I do not work for any spread betting company. I am a private trader. I use City Index for my trading and have experienced big wins as well as big losses. (Fortunately the wins outweigh the losses). However, the company itself, is only interested in the amount of trades I make as well as the amount in my account to cover any margins. And obviously, from there buisness point of view, it would be better for them if all it's customers were in profit and making lots of trades.
 

Bigbusiness

Experienced member
I think spread betting companies prefer their customers to loose. IG index don't hedge most of their clients positions because they know most of them will loose. It's easy to get new customers as everyone thinks they can make a profit when they start spread betting.

They don't mind a few customers who make a profit as they can hedge against their positions.

In my experience, they don't like people who trade too often. Finspreads made it much harder to 'scalp' after some clients found an good way to make money.
 

mags_g

Member
They way Spread betting companies designed there buisness model is around the commision they make on the spread. That is at the core of their set up. Pure and simple. End of chat from me on this one.
 

Bigbusiness

Experienced member
I shared your opinion at one point but to do this surely the spread bet companies would have to hedge all of their exposure to the market.

From the IG May 2002 trading statement.

"The Group's long-standing policy is not to hedge all of its exposure to the financial markets and, as a result, the level of trading income that the Group achieves for any given volume is subject to some variation. This characteristic has been reinforced by a decision taken in March to leave unhedged a higher proportion of our exposure than hitherto. While this is likely to lead to increased volatility in monthly profits, it will undoubtedly reduce our costs and, in the opinion of the Board, should result in higher profits over the longer term. "
 

ronvegas

Newbie
Hi

Im thinking of going to one of Jeff Jetvics seminars on the above Goldbar/Signpost Spread Trading Systems....I've spoke to him on the phone (supposidly) Its gonna set me back £695, so before i do, as anyone been on the course, heard of him etc.

I read a coulple of negative threads on the course....but im wondering if its working for a lot more ?

any info would be good,

thanks
 

schoe

Well-known member
I have been on this day in London a while ago now and I have to say it was the biggest waste of money I have ever been stupid enough to throw away.
I have recently been to see Naz and Mr Charts and they were both very good and teach you to trade properly not using a holy grail system that looks good on historical charts but in reality does not work. If you need any more info PM me.
 

numspar

Member
I went on his course last year.Total waste of time IMO.He gives you his 'Goldbar' indicator which is a plugin for Omega Supercharts, which is supposedly based on indicating Market makers actions in a market and whether they are buying or selling, hence pushing the market up or down. Claims of 70% success rate(pie in the sky!!!).
 

tandy

Newbie
I attended his coarse a year ago, although first impressions may be a bit chaotic for long term commodity traders it is extremly good with a success rate in recent months in excess of 80%.most of which I have followed and returns have been excellent.
It is not for day trading, or those with limited resources. You also need to subcribe to his weekly and daily email about£75 a month,which is more valuable than the coarse attendance in many ways ,as well as buy additional software.
Conclusion. This is a superb service but for serious professional long term trend traders only, with sufficient starting capital.
Good luck
 

tradertim

Member
CFTR

Tandy - in CFTR`s literature it claims SignPost will produce 1 - 2 trades per week in each market covered, and return an average of around 150 points per week on the FTSE index. Can I ask what is your experience over the year that you`ve been using Signpost - in terms of the frequency of trading signals per market (particularly the indices if you trade these) and average net points made per week?
 

tandy

Newbie
Hi,
He covers 35 markets in 7 key diverse sectors, am surprised if his FTSE figures are that high , more relistic of the Dow perhaps.
This system is at its best in commodities ,ie, energies, metals , meats ,foods and grain where there tends to be less volatility and longer more obvious trends.
I rarely trade indexes and never the FTSE, at least the Dax or US have some vol. CFTR for example has been neutral indexes for over a week, rigthly so, so you would have had a dull week.
Instead find a chart of cotton , which the system went long August and took profits only yesterday. As I highlighted only requires 5-8 trades a month to make a good living, although it does highlight 3-5 trades each week in the 7 sectors followed Average holding periods usualy in excess of a week and some a month or two , with a rolling stop in place.
So not for day trading but great if you only want to be infront of a screen for an hour or so a day
Good luck and hope this helps.
 

tradertim

Member
Tandy - thanks v.much for your reply.

Can I ask if you only use CFTR`s signals to both open AND close trades, or do you use trailing stops? Their literature and verbal advice seems to suggest they mainly rely on the former.

I presently use Deal4free spreadbet to trade stocks & indices. On their commodities & currencies the spreads look to a lot wider in relation to their average daily range.

Do you mind telling me whether you use spreadbetters, CFDs or futures to trade commodities? If the latter, do you consider the narrower spreads outweigh the tax disadvantages?
 

peugots

Junior member
tradertim (and anyone else who knows the answer)




I would appreciate it if you could kindly say what the website is for CFTR associates ?


Thanks in advance.
 

tradertim

Member
Peugots - there is no website for CFTR - they communicate new trades (nightly)by e-mail for their SignPost system. Information on their course is sent by post.
 

tandy

Newbie
I use CFTR to get me into the trade and my own jugdement to get me out, the trailing stops are on my own reading of the market and my pain threshold ! Infact by following the market charts and a bit of reading one can start to pre-empt some of CFTRs entry and exit points.
Yes spreads are wider, since they are less traded instruments by UK spread betters.But since your holding period is longer and activity less this is not an issue. Besides by having say 4 SB a\c you can check spreads and more inportantly NTR which varies significantly with each firm and they do not all trade the same markets. But also allows you to deal and watch screen prices when one of them has a computer break down like Finspreads did most of yesterday!
Think thats all the advise I can give , otherwise I might start charging ! But hope you understand this is not for daytrading but as a result having tried both more rewarding and certainly more enjoyable!
Go for it , good luck and enjoy
 
 
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